Nine Reasons People Aren't Singing in Worship

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I use that one all the time. I believe that there is one holy, catholic and apostolic Church, whose foundation is Jesus. 🤷

I guess enough clergy find it acceptable to be in many hymnals.

There is a reason why liturgical music is picked at the parish level, as opposed to the Scripture. Priests shepherd based on their own opinion of what is best for their parish, as they are closest to those people.

As most of these issues eventually boil down to opinions or tastes, I believe in variety, pleasing no one with every song, but pleasing all some of the time, and in staying away from all extremes. It is a given that one must not include any song that is secular, heretical or forbidden by Church authority.
This Monsignor said that at the time it was written it was a slur against the Pope. That we Catholics consider the Pope to be the foundation, which of course is a misunderstanding. He was talking about the intent of the writer.
Sometimes lyrics can say one thing, but are meant to say quite another. He felt that there is so much other music to select from that we need not borrow from other faiths. And I agree.
Peace.
 
is battle hymn of the republic catholic? amazing grace? my country tis of thee?
 
This Monsignor said that at the time it was written it was a slur against the Pope. That we Catholics consider the Pope to be the foundation, which of course is a misunderstanding. He was talking about the intent of the writer.
I see this as a good reason to sing it, namely, to reinforce that we* do* have Jesus as our foundation. I ma not very superstitious, so I really do not see intent as lingering in the lyrics each time it is sung.
 
is battle hymn of the republic catholic? amazing grace? my country tis of thee?
I use the first two at my parish. None are written by Catholics. All three are in the hymnal we use. So the answer to your question would depend on better defining the question.
 
Lately, it seems that every parish I visit wants to sing the Gloria or the Lord’s Prayer with a slightly different melody.

I sing when I’m able, but sometimes I just end up shaking my head in frustration because I just can’t find the rhythm/melody of the song and I just can’t pick up what line we are supposed to be on.

Unless you are a regular member of the parish, some of the nuances can really get to you, if you don’t expect them.
Last Sunday the Gloria we were presented with had at least 4 time signature changes. No one sang it. Also, how come we NEVER get 4 part music? If we are all supposed to sing the melody, why is it almost always in a key for sopranos and eunuchs? How about actually giving some - any - music. Lyrics alone for new syncopated songs are not likely to singing. How about we burn all ā€œGatherā€ hymnals are grating, terrible conglomerations of dreck, treacle and insipidity (made up word intentional!)

BTW even in a traditional church, how many folks know chant notation? That’s always fun.
 
I use the first two at my parish. None are written by Catholics. All three are in the hymnal we use. So the answer to your question would depend on better defining the question.
same here, i enjoy them. doesn’t matter to me who wrote them as long as they are church approved.
 
Last Sunday the Gloria we were presented with had at least 4 time signature changes. No one sang it. Also, how come we NEVER get 4 part music? If we are all supposed to sing the melody, why is it almost always in a key for sopranos and eunuchs? How about actually giving some - any - music. Lyrics alone for new syncopated songs are not likely to singing. How about we burn all ā€œGatherā€ hymnals are grating, terrible conglomerations of dreck, treacle and insipidity (made up word intentional!)

BTW even in a traditional church, how many folks know chant notation? That’s always fun.
ā€œsopranos and eunuchsā€ LOL
That’s a good one.
Gather is a good hymnal.
I always did 4 part. Parishes can’t afford the sheet music, most likely.
 
Last Sunday the Gloria we were presented with had at least 4 time signature changes. No one sang it. Also, how come we NEVER get 4 part music? If we are all supposed to sing the melody, why is it almost always in a key for sopranos and eunuchs? How about actually giving some - any - music. Lyrics alone for new syncopated songs are not likely to singing. How about we burn all ā€œGatherā€ hymnals are grating, terrible conglomerations of dreck, treacle and insipidity (made up word intentional!)

BTW even in a traditional church, how many folks know chant notation? That’s always fun.
You’re a little late with that; ā€œinsipidityā€ has been a valid English word since at least 1609, according to the OED.
 
Last Sunday the Gloria we were presented with had at least 4 time signature changes. No one sang it.
To be fair to the Anglophones, it seems like they have a problem with the new translation. They seem to love it but can’t sing it.

The old version, now obsoleted, seemed to have been much more singable. For example,

youtube.com/watch?v=iOZ67B5WoR0

Same goes for all of Richard Proulx settings.
 
we’re singing a new gloria, it’s a bit difficult, probably because it’s new. we’ll get the hang of it, i’m sure.
 
is battle hymn of the republic catholic? amazing grace? my country tis of thee?
same here, i enjoy them. doesn’t matter to me who wrote them as long as they are church approved.
Seems like thousands of possibilities with multi-verses to boot, just in the English alone. Who exactly will speak for the church and approve or rather disapprove them, and wouldn’t that just trigger more controversy either way?
 
BTW, I agree with most of the list and take steps to correct it. I transpose about half of the music. I avoid heavily syncopated and irregular lyrics. I stick to 1-3 new songs a year, and even then I will hit it a few times at first. The whole showing-off thing takes care of itself as we are rather musically impoverished. I think all musicians need to be connected enough with their type of parish to know when people aren’t singing and try and address some of the issues. Whether people sing, or not, is like a contagion. If more people start to sing, the more others will be comfortable jumping in. Likewise, the fewer people sing, the more self-conscious that that do sing will become.
 
If you want to hear some beautiful singing, come to St Francis of Assisi in the Ozarks of Arkansas. Our parish sings joyfully to the Lord at every Mass, and I mean six days a week. Music accompaniment on Sat. vigil and Sunday only, but the people all sing out. There are approximately 160 families here, and in the summer we have lots of vacationers who join us. Our parish priest is from Nigeria, loves to sing and coaches us before each Mass during the week. Since Father can harmonize so beautifully, we all sing out, whether there are 25 people in attendance or the church is packed full. I used to be in a parish of approx. 7,000 and never heard as much participation as we have here. Most of us are retirees or close to it. The 'Amen" and the ā€˜Alleluia’ make me feel very close to heaven.šŸ™‚
 
Seems like thousands of possibilities with multi-verses to boot, just in the English alone. Who exactly will speak for the church and approve or rather disapprove them, and wouldn’t that just trigger more controversy either way?
no idea, we have a music issue at church that i assume is approved by someone in authority?🤷
 
no idea, we have a music issue at church that i assume is approved by someone in authority?🤷
Approval to use them at Mass probably means that someone saw to it that there is no copyright infringement. This is separate from approval from a theologically-deep, liturgically-rooted, and musically-acceptable (Card Arinze’s words) perspective. AFAIK, there is no authority that determines music on this basis, although occasionally one hears a priest or bishop disapprove of a particular song/hymn.
 
Today we remember St. Cecelia, a patroness of music, so I pray she intercedes for us.

Now, when I examine why I resist singing at Mass (and I often do), I see nothing virtuous. I see rebelliousness. I want the Mass to be shorter. I don’t feel we need that extra verse. I don’t like this particular song.

I also see what seems to be a kind of elitism. At daily Mass (no music), when the priest decides to sing some part of the Mass that prompts a sung response from us, I willingly participate. But on Sunday, when the song leader invites me to join in song, I become a little kid again: ā€œYou’re not the boss of me! I don’t have to do what you say!ā€

Ridiculous, when I think about it. So I make a conscious effort to sing, even when I don’t feel like it.
 
Approval to use them at Mass probably means that someone saw to it that there is no copyright infringement. This is separate from approval from a theologically-deep, liturgically-rooted, and musically-acceptable (Card Arinze’s words) perspective. AFAIK, there is no authority that determines music on this basis, although occasionally one hears a priest or bishop disapprove of a particular song/hymn.
well, if there is no approving authority, i guess we’re all good then!😃 i had no idea there was this much controversy over singing to our Lord.
 
If you want to hear some beautiful singing, come to St Francis of Assisi in the Ozarks of Arkansas. Our parish sings joyfully to the Lord at every Mass, and I mean six days a week. Music accompaniment on Sat. vigil and Sunday only, but the people all sing out. There are approximately 160 families here, and in the summer we have lots of vacationers who join us. Our parish priest is from Nigeria, loves to sing and coaches us before each Mass during the week. Since Father can harmonize so beautifully, we all sing out, whether there are 25 people in attendance or the church is packed full. I used to be in a parish of approx. 7,000 and never heard as much participation as we have here. Most of us are retirees or close to it. The 'Amen" and the ā€˜Alleluia’ make me feel very close to heaven.šŸ™‚
This has been my experience, for the most part, with small groups. Of course, it might be that, for the most part, small parishes do not have the resources to have dedicated musicians and just get by with what they can, so you have more singing of tried-and-true hymns and settings… At the parish where I sometimes attend daily Mass, they always have a recessional hymn. They alternate through about 5 of them: Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty, How Great Thou Art, Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above (For Marian Feasts), and a couple of others. Everybody knows them, they have simple melodies, and most everybody sings. Usually somebody will announce the hymn from the pews and start, but there really isn’t any ā€œleaderā€. There are usually about 70 people.

In my own (Byzantine) parish, most everybody sings, and it isn’t just 4 hymns. We pretty much sing the liturgy from beginning to end. It is simple chant and everybody knows the typical melodies; most of us pick up on the atypical ones pretty quickly once our priest begins them for us. Occasionally, we have hymns that are just for special feasts and we struggle through a bit. The troparia, which are specific to the feast (sort of like the collect), can occasionally be difficult, but the 3 or 4 who sing well carry us through the tough parts and sooner or later, everybody is on solid footing again. Nobody considers not singing to be an alternative. We are not especially talented or well-trained. Must of us grew up with the music education in the 80s and 90s that Cat has referred to. It is just that singing is part of the culture. It is how the liturgy is done. At the moment we have no cantor, but even when we do, the people sing. This isn’t true of all Eastern Catholic traditions, though. The Ruthenians have a particular tradition of congregational singing/chanting. Other traditions have typically relied on a choir or cantor to make the responses and do the singing. I think it is very much a matter of culture and expectation.

An interesting story, though. Our last cantor changed the melody of one of the hymns that we sing every Sunday (Holy God, Holy and Mighty, Holy and Immortal, have mercy on us). It was a legitimate option, but it was different from what this parish had used for many years. We went along with it and learned the new tone. Some us us might have complained.😊 Some of us complained a lot. 😊😊 We did that for a year or two. As soon as he stopped being our cantor, the entire parish spontaneously reverted to the previous tone. 😃 People like familiarity.
 
I may be a bit of a heretic, but I think people aren’t singing at Mass because they don’t want to.

All this talk of sung participation in the Liturgy is a moot point if the mindset of the People of God is not conformed to rigid uniformity. In my opinion, imposing that sort of outward unity - ā€œyou must singā€ - proceeds from insecurity. Our vision of the liturgy is challenged by the silent majority, so we try to find ways to get them to sing along. The fact is that Catholics are inherently a contemplative people, and not prone to sing-alongs.

I believe that many Catholics who refuse to sing at Mass are in a mindset firstly of being moulded and shaped by the music, and only secondarily of ā€œparticipatingā€ in it. When there is beautiful polyphony or chant, those who pray do not sing (generally). They sit and soak it in, desiring to meet God in the beauty. Eyes - and sometimes mouth - wide open.

On Good Friday in the year of my baptism, the music at the Reproaches was so beautiful that I came very close to weeping in the cathedral. No one sang along; it was only the choir, echoing in that magnificent space of silence. Never has a congregational hymn brought me so close to the Lord as that choir-only singing did, back then…

We must allow for freedom and true unity of spirit, before uniformity of body.
 
I may be a bit of a heretic, but I think people aren’t singing at Mass because they don’t want to…
Well, yes, but that just asks the question of why people do not want to sing and the same reasons answer that question, as the two questions are the same question.
 
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