Nipple equality: Women could go topless in Berkeley under new proposal

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As a journalist, I was sent to cover one of photographer Spencer Tunick,s famous nude photo sessions outside The Ritz in London. Five hundred people assembled in the early hours and were given precise obstructions as to where and how they were to pose, and then at first light, with police permission to close the road for fifteen minutes, everyone dropped their clothes and ran naked into the street.
It was one of the the funniest and most innocent sights I have ever seen, as people of both sexes, and all ages, weights and colours, took part in this gloriously silly event. I agree there is “a time and a place” for nudity, I don’t believe any of the many onlookers were offended by it, and if aroused it said more about them, than the participants.
Nor am I bothered by women who choose to sunbathe topless…
This is just a fad, and is easily ignored.
 
jesucated said:
I’ve got no issue with this whatsoever. Breasts need not be sexualized, and if there are people who can’t figure this out then it’s their problem.
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Why do we fear the body so? It’s just the body, it’s innocent, and without it you’d be literally nobody.

ICXC NIKA
 
dallas_r said:
Lust paradise, I bet rape will increase. Terrible idea. Imagine someone going to mass nude…
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I believe that the history of these sorts of things has shown that the women who choose to expose themselves in this way are those who - how can I say this delicately - are least likely to be “lust producing.”
 
GEddie said:
Why do we fear the body so? It’s just the body, it’s innocent, and without it you’d be literally nobody.

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The body in itself is innocent, but we are not. You have heard of “lust” right? It’s a thing.
 
jesucated said:
Never type on a tablet with one hand! 🙂

Thanks for the catch. Edit complete.
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Your post made more sense before you edited it. Indeed, beasts need not be sexualized. That at least is something most of us can agree on.
 
Irishmom2 said:
OP, what is your purpose in posting this? I am wondering how this is news that in any way relates to a Catholic forum.

And you just throw it there and leave. Don’t you have a comment? Or is this just for the shock value?
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I agree with you !00% and also a few other posts that just don’t belong. God Bless, Memaw
 
Expatreprocedit said:
The body in itself is innocent, but we are not. You have heard of “lust” right? It’s a thing.
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If you’re suggesting that people have fits of uncontrollable lust at the site of breasts, then we need to focus on figuring out what’s wrong with those individuals and not insisting women cover themselves.

Meanwhile, if you’re making the more moderate claim that breasts might lead to some feelings of lust in some people, this also seems a strange reason to prohibit women choosing to be topless. What doesn’t lead to lust in this way?

I certainly support religions that want to set their own standards of modesty for their adherents, but when talking about law in a civil and free society, it just seems absurd to me to suggest that women need to cover themselves while men don’t.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
I believe that the history of these sorts of things has shown that the women who choose to expose themselves in this way are those who - how can I say this delicately - are least likely to be “lust producing.”
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May I add, not just least likely to be inducing lust but in some cases inspiring thoughts of chastity.
 
My advice, buy stock in the public utilities that service the Berkeley area. The population is gonna boom!😃
 
jesucated said:
but when talking about law in a civil and free society, it just seems absurd to me to suggest that women need to cover themselves while men don’t.
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This strikes me as a very careless way of talking about the issue. Who says men don’t need to “cover themselves”? Did I advocate men being allowed to walk around stark naked? It’s just that women have an additional area that most civilized societies have asked to covered, not because it is “dirty” or “bad”, but because of modesty. Here’s a newsflash for you: men and women are anatomically different. If you are going to try to shoehorn this into the category of “oppression of women”, as your comment seems to be trending, I will note that, generally speaking, exposure of flesh by women is much more socially acceptable than by men, and women are allowed to dress much more comfortably in formal and professional contexts than men are.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
This strikes me as a very careless way of talking about the issue. Who says men don’t need to “cover themselves”? Did I advocate men being allowed to walk around stark naked? It’s just that women have an additional area that most civilized societies have asked to covered, not because it is “dirty” or “bad”, but because of modesty. Here’s a newsflash for you: men and women are anatomically different. If you are going to try to shoehorn this into the category of “oppression of women”, as your comment seems to be trending, I will note that, generally speaking, exposure of flesh by women is much more socially acceptable than by men, and women are allowed to dress much more comfortably in formal and professional contexts than men are.
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Expatreprocedit said:
This strikes me as a very careless way of talking about the issue. Who says men don’t need to “cover themselves”? Did I advocate men being allowed to walk around stark naked? It’s just that women have an additional area that most civilized societies have asked to covered, not because it is “dirty” or “bad”, but because of modesty. Here’s a newsflash for you: men and women are anatomically different. If you are going to try to shoehorn this into the category of “oppression of women”, as your comment seems to be trending, I will note that, generally speaking, exposure of flesh by women is much more socially acceptable than by men, and women are allowed to dress much more comfortably in formal and professional contexts than men are.
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You seem to assuming a lot here that is very troubling to me. You seem to be assuming, whether intentionally or not, that “modesty” (at least in the way you define it) ought to play a role in establishing laws that others who might not share your definition should have to obey. You seem to be assuming that “civilized societies” (again as you define them) generally adhere to the version of modesty you would enforce, and in the process severely circumscribe what it means to be civilized. You seem to assume that conventions of dress are the same as sumptuary laws. You seem to assume that biological diversity should dictate clothing. Finally, you seem to assume that “how it’s done” is a sufficient justification for how it ought to be done.

In other words, you’ve built an argument about what should or should not be allowed society on the flawed premises of personal belief.
 
Ever heard of Hooters or Twin Peaks “restaurant”?? If they were no biggie, then places like these would not exist. Also, plunging necklines in advertisements and the red carpet are excused under the guise of “sex sells”. So obviously, to most people they are sexual. And yes, I’ve breastfed a child. It’s called dual purpose. One function does not exclude the other.
 
In spite of it hitting 104 yesterday, San Fran is pretty chilly year round…sounds like a ‘you can, but do you want to’ law!
 
Luke6_37 said:
My mom always said, “God didn’t make women’s breasts to look good under a blouse - they’re for feeding babies.”
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That’s a little puritanical if you ask me… I think it’s perfectly acceptable to look sexy in public. That doesnt mean you’re immodest either. To me it shows confidence. Thats the girl I’m after!! Imagine if obesity wasn’t a problem today. Every 20 something girl would be getting looks. Us conservative Catholics need to lighten up a bit. Show everyone else we’re here to enjoy life, not be prudes:cool:
 
Having accidentally gone to a nude beach in Spain. :eek: People, you truly look better with something on. Much better. Extraordinarily better.
 
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