No. Black Lives Matter Is Not Trying to Destroy Your Nuclear Family

[VonDerTann]

I have. Does every member of BLM support every BLM goal? We don’t know what’s inside their heads. But at some point we can’t excuse people who ignorantly support unsupportable goals, and if I stand up at a BLM sanctioned event with a sign saying “BLM!”, I’m supporting BLM goals - all of them, even if I don’t know all of them.

 

[VeryBlessed]

I find the whole thing kind of sad. I think the original grassroots protest had some validity to it. I don’t think there is an easy answer to the tension that exists between unfair profiling of African-Americans, versus the higher crime rates that actually do exist in that segment of the population. Just because those answers aren’t easy or obvious, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t pursue them.

But it just seems like a small group of people with a radical and unpopular agenda co-opted the movement, both by showing up and radicalizing the protests, and then by forming this organization with too narrow and radical a focus to attract large numbers of support and conversation.

If I wanted to either kill or cripple the BLM movement, I can’t think of a better way to do it than to align it with too-radical, too narrow ideas. It is killing any chance of having a truly fruitful conversation on the core issues. And that is tragic.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Does every member of BLM support every BLM goal? We don’t know what’s inside their heads.

Then don’t assume what you don’t know.

But at some point we can’t excuse people who ignorantly support unsupportable goals,

I assume you are talking about the vast majority of racial justice protesters who only support racial justice and do not support the destruction of the nuclear family. These people need no excuse since they do not support those goals.

if I stand up at a BLM sanctioned event with a sign saying “BLM!”, I’m supporting BLM goals - all of them, even if I don’t know all of them.

So you say. The vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of protesters would disagree. The only publicity given to the “unsupportable goals” is through white supremacist critics of the movement and its primary goal. Otherwise few people would pay any attention to them. Anything to distract from the main purpose of these protests, which is racial justice in law enforcement.

 

[AverageGuy]

An excellent post, which I fully concur with. The original grassroots phase had legitimate concerns and if things didn’t go the way they did, could have sought healing for society and could have brought about positive change in regards to the core issues.

The radicalized organization and the violence instead found a way to ensure that proper police reform would be taken off the table by polarizing the public, by seeking to force conformity rather than to hold genuine conversations. It is truly tragic that the organization and the riots were able to drown out any hope for reconciliation and a broad based coalition. The organization is purposefully taking this route, preferring conflict, unrest and ideological purity over anything approaching workable compromise or true dialog.

 

[Crusader13]

The problem is that the entire BLM movement is predicated on the idea that black people are being killed by law enforcement at rate that rivals the period prior to the civil rights movement.

The issue of African Americans being murdered is not one of racism, but rather the sad reality that black men are killed by other black men at a rate that is far greater then any other statistic that shows them being killed by other non-blacks.

The data is so overwhelmingly convincing that nobody mentions it, it’s just ignored. Which begs the question; where was the BLM movement prior to George Floyd and others???

Where was the concern shown today by the NBA & NFL, in the previous decades? I don’t remember seeing Kapernick kneeling for the black on black on crime that plagued these inner cities.

 

[blackforest]

The problem is that the entire BLM movement is predicated on the idea that black people are being killed by law enforcement at rate that rivals the period prior to the civil rights movement.

I don’t think that’s the argument. I’ve long said what Will Smith recently tweeted: Police violence against Black Americans isn’t increasing. It’s just getting filmed more.

The issue of African Americans being murdered is not one of racism, but rather the sad reality that black men are killed by other black men at a rate that is far greater then any other statistic that shows them being killed by other non-blacks.

Have you seen the data on white-on-white crime? Pretty awful stuff.

Which begs the question; where was the BLM movement prior to George Floyd and others???

BLM began with the slaying of Trayvon Martin in 2013.

 

[blackforest]

In my experience, the majority of self-professed Marxists I encounter are either A) 18 years old and sheltered on college campuses or B) 58 years old, stuck around for grad school, and still sheltered on college campuses.

 

[whatistrue]

The radicalized organization and the violence instead found a way to ensure that proper police reform would be taken off the table by polarizing the public, by seeking to force conformity rather than to hold genuine conversations.

I don’t say that it is, but the more I think about it (and think about one of the posts in this thread)…

If I wanted to either kill or cripple the BLM movement, I can’t think of a better way to do it than to align it with too-radical, too narrow ideas

…the more I wonder if the whole BLM organization (as opposed to the movement) is a false flag operation designed specifically to encourage more division in the population. This all sounds very familiar…

 

[Crusader13]

I don’t think that’s the argument. I’ve long said what Will Smith recently tweeted: Police violence against Black Americans isn’t increasing. It’s just getting filmed more.

There’s debate among what is being filmed as to what was an excessive use of force vs an appropriate level of response. Michael Brown, for example, was not a clear cut example of “police brutality”. The problem is that too many people think they are justified for doing wrong and instead blame the system for their choices.

It’s cultural issue that exists across our society as a whole, not just among the black community.

Take the hip hop cultural for example. What is being pushed and sold to the masses who buy into it?

They certainly aren’t rapping about following the Oprah’s and Obama’s of the world. They aren’t giving props to Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice, Candace Owens, or Ben Carson.

In fact you mentioned Will Smith, he was constantly ridiculed by other rappers for not being “real” enough.

BLM is not about uplifting or doing anything positive in the black community, because they can’t even address the real issues that are plaguing the black community.

 

[Peeps]

I fully agree but want to mention the two-feet-of-love approach encouraged by the USCCB. One foot is for charity, addressing urgency, and the other is for lasting policy changes to prevent future urgency. Both are important, and both are necessary.

Absolutely agree.

As for the March for Life–first, it is a once a year event, not an “every weekend event.”

Second, to my knowledge, never have March for Life participants, even those “far right extremist groups” that masquerade as pro-lifers but are at the March only to recruit naive teenagers, have never, ever destroyed property, set stuff on fire, or looted. I realize that this might have happened at some point in the 40 plus years that the March has been happening, but to my knowledge.

Third, I believe that the March for Life is not just a protest rally, but also an opportunity for pro-life people from all over the U.S. from every walk of life (e.g., Lesbians for Life–yes, I’ve seen that group at the March several times, and also “Atheists for Life”) to gather together and draw strength and encouragement from each other, and of course, to network and make contacts.

Fourth, the March for Life is a visible reminder to the media, to the politicians, to the academics, and to the entertainment industry, that there are many people in the U.S. who support allowing ALL conceived human beings to have the opportunity to be born and live their lives. Obviously, all of these groups, especially the media, tend to ignore or down-play the March and the pro-life movement, or label the movement as “fringe” or “extreme right” or “religious zeal,” or “oppressed females.” But the presence of marchers year after year, in all kinds of weather, is a reminder that we are there and we vote and we attend entertainment, and we go to college and we watch TV and stay current with the media, and that we who are women are intelligent and active, and that most of us (except for those who are disturbed in their minds) are peaceful, non-violent, and willing to back up our signs and banners with actions back in our communities.

 

[blackforest]

The problem is that too many people think they are justified for doing wrong and instead blame the system for their choices.

But the police officers, as employees of the System, shouldn’t make bad choices of shooting and strangling people for non-capital offenses.

I’m curious why you went off on a tirade about rap music. Do you think all black people are fans of it?

 

[blackforest]

Point well taken, but please, please, please don’t forget those African-American women and children who are showing up during the day and protesting peacefully. They’re often loving, compassionate, concerned, afraid . . . and much too mundane for click-bait culture to give them the time of day.

I mostly just wanted to address your point about meaningful action vs. showing up with a cardboard sign. A lot of people showing up with cardboard signs may also be attending city council meetings and contacting their elected officials; we’re not in any position to make assumptions about people.

For what it’s worth, I’ve clocked in more hours with the pro-life movement than I can count. I honestly feel burned out. The cause is both wonderful and urgent, but some of the activist drive me out of my mind with their competitive personalities and giant egos on display. (It’s the danger of any kind of activism). Others deserve canonization but are too humble to realize it.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I would say that it’s up to BLM to figure this out and reword their mission statement, and not my particular problem.

 

[Hodos]

Weird that Politifact essentially contradicts everything BLM has said on record on their website and on the news. Its almost as if they believe no one else has eyeballs.

 

[Peebo]

BLM, a good start would be to stop aborting them.

 

[upant]

I have no idea. I support the movement.

how do you tell the difference? where does the money go when people donate? neither group has condemned the violence. until one says they are different, there is no difference.

is that woman peacefully protesting an org or movement member? is the guy looting an org or movement member? tell me how to tell the org member from the movement member. looting is reparations, is that an org slogan or a movement slogan?

as to the article, this says it all.

A spokesperson for Black Lives Matter did not respond to our requests for comment.

if black lives matter doesn’t respond, all you have is an author’s assumption

I did want to clarify that the organization isn’t trying to “destroy” the nuclear family.

how do you know when they won’t respond to the inquiry.

the original message has been lost, the movement has changed focus, and the focus changes from person to person. what does the movement actually support and how do you know it does? what documents it?

 

[VonDerTann]

But the police officers, as employees of the System, shouldn’t make bad choices of shooting and strangling people for non-capital offenses.

This is really, really inappropriate,and displays not the slightest understanding of what police are confronted with - which now includes people just walking up to their cruisers and opening fire.

Police daily confront people who are high; have massive chips on their shoulders; are violating parole; are hardened criminals, whatever. They do so without full knowledge of facts, and often in situations where they make split-second decisions with lives on the line - most notably, their own. They do so, knowing that they usually have no ability to turn tail and run.

They do so, knowing that their decisions will be second- and fifth-guessed by people with no knowledge of policing; police procedures; or anything else, yet who sit at computers; declare themselves experts; and pronounce judgments on them as “making bad choices” or “willingly strangling” people.

No cop wakes up saying, “I think I’ll go strangle a black man today.” They make the best decisions they can, under trying circumstances, that most of us on this board would never want to make. Your post is very simplistic and is an affront to what they do, day in and day out. The fact that even a defensible decision can get them fired; brought up on bogus charges by overzealous DAs; and get protesters on their lawn only fuels their problems.

 

[blackforest]

I would say that it’s up to BLM to figure this out and reword their mission statement, and not my particular problem.

They don’t need to reword a thing. This is a reading comprehension issue.

how do you tell the difference?

I’m part of the movement. I’m not part of the organization and (trust me) would know if I were. There’s one difference.

how do you know when they won’t respond to the inquiry.

Well, for one thing, they never said they were trying to destroy the nuclear family. The burden of proof would be on you to show the contrary. That’s a pretty hard case to make, however, given the context.

This is really, really inappropriate,and displays not the slightest understanding of what police are confronted with - which now includes people just walking up to their cruisers and opening fire.

You response is really, really inappropriate and displays not the slightest understanding of police brutality and the reality of what citizens are confronted with, which now includes police officers killing innocent people.

But no matter what story I post, you’ll defend the cop. When the abusers paint themselves as abused, we have systemic narcissism.

 

[MikeInVA]

Editing to add that I support MfL.

I don’t think you do. The March for Life is an annual rally to send a message to our elected leaders that we want abortion to end. It is a highly planned event, not ad hoc. Many of the marchers devote their time and money to pro-life activities throughout the year. The only angry people that I’ve seen at the March were pro-abortion protestors. There is nothing in common between the March for Life and BLM.

 

[upant]

I’m part of the movement. I’m not part of the organization and (trust me) would know if I were. There’s one difference.

which doesn’t explain anything. how do you know the feelings you have are the same as the rest of the people in the movement.

Well, for one thing, they never said they were trying to destroy the nuclear family. The burden of proof would be on you to show the contrary. That’s a pretty hard case to make, however, given the context.

nonsense, they were given a chance to state for the record that they were not trying to destroy the family and they chose not to. they could clear up the misunderstanding. they can say, we are not out to destroy the family, but haven’t?

which now includes police officers killing innocent people.

please link to this, innocent people