Are you saying that there are horrible people in the US, or are you saying that black lives already matter to everyone like they should?
Just like MLK and communism are forever intertwined (not!).
Are some people horrible racists in the US? Yes, off course there are. I have personally met some who are 21st century DEMOCRATS from New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, & Delaware.
This argument is ridiculous. The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was NOT a communist. He was never intertwined with communism by honest people.
As far as I know, MLK never stood on a communist platform and never preached communism. Maybe some communists happened to agree with him in some points but that’s does not make MLK a communist.
I do not disagree with you. But remember, the comment you responded to initially was:
The exchange after that was perhaps based on exaggeration of each other’s position. So maybe we should return to it and forget the exaggerations.
This has never been disputed by me. What I have disputed is the extent to which those Marxist values are infused into those who are marching in protest. I see tons of Black Lives Matter lawn signs around my town, even in the high-class rich neighborhoods. I sincerely doubt they are all Marxists!
Not by honest people, but by people in power at the time, notably J. Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI. When the head of the FBI wants to smear someone as a communist, he can do it. He used his influence to convince others in power that MLK was a communist threat. Here is where you can read more about that era. I am 72, so I remember it as current events.LeafByNiggle:
This argument is ridiculous. The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was NOT a communist. He was never intertwined with communism by honest people.
That was not my point. My point was that communist or not, he was smeared as one as I cited above. So it is not surprising the the Black Lives Matter movement is being smeared as Marxist now.LeafByNiggle:
As far as I know, MLK never stood on a communist platform and never preached communism. Maybe some communists happened to agree with him in some points but that’s does not make MLK a communist.
That’s because the leaders of Black Lives Matter, Inc. and the people who claim to have started the Black Lives Matter movement are proud Marxists & willingly admit to being “trained Marxists.”
This is still not much different than what happened with MLK. At the same time when MLK was protesting for racial justice, there were in fact avowed communists who were also trying to pay lip service to the black community by proclaiming that they too were working for the betterment of their rights as oppressed people. These were definitely “avowed communists”. A casual observer of the situation in the 1950s and 1960s might easily say that these communists were leaders in the struggle for justice for the underclass, and that MLK was just following in their lead. In fact that is exactly what J. Edgar Hoover promoted by pressing for the connection between MLK and communists.LeafByNiggle:
That’s because the leaders of Black Lives Matter, Inc. and the people who claim to have started the Black Lives Matter movement are proud Marxists & willingly admit to being “trained Marxists.”
Just because it was a smear back then doesn’t mean it’s still a smear now.
The only “evidence” that has been presented is documents from this one organization, Black Lives Matter, inc. What is missing is evidence that these policy positions have any real penetration into the vast majority of protesters for racial justice.
So the words of the leaders of the organization aren’t enough proof?
If they acted any more hostile or Marxist towards western family values, they’d have it tattooed all over their faces. All one need do is read about how Marxists work towards their end, and one sees that BLM is using a very similar rulebook. I mistrust and dislike BLM as an organization and as an activist group very intensely.
Leaders? You think they have leaders? Ha ha, that’s hilarious.LeafByNiggle:
So the words of the leaders of the organization aren’t enough proof?
Yes, they have leaders. Presidents of chapters, for one.
Of course not. The proof of penetration into the people marching in the over 10,600 protest events has to be seen in those marchers and those who thousands who post lawn signs, etc. The members of that organization can say whatever they want. That does not mean the marchers take them seriously, or are even aware of what they say. They are small potatoes when compared to the total of people protesting racial justice.LeafByNiggle:
So the words of the leaders of the organization aren’t enough proof?
Again, you are not talking about the same “they” that I am. I am talking about the vast majority of protesters, who are not acting Marxist.
Suppose I write a story about cows. You insist that it’s about pigs. Then Fox and Breitbart and other Right wing sources start running stories about how it’s about pigs.
I’m inundated with replies but will highlight yours because I can accept this.
–Because BLM says it wants to disrupt the nuclear family.
the problem is that they didn’t show the organization was wrong, they have been unable to verify what the organization meant because the organization won’t clarify their position on the family. they have even taken down the webpage or at least the link is 404. I searched for family on the website and there isn’t a similar statement.
yes, I also suggest people use their basic skills and stop projecting their opinion onto an organization that won’t come out and says what it means.