No Compromises: Kansas State Bishops Declare Voting for Abortion Candidate is "Evil

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agnostic said:
Yes it does…I declare a clump of cells is a clump of cells, and it is so. However, once I have given birth, the goalposts change and we are now talking about a human being.
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So by your logic when Hitler declared the Jews to be undermenchen they were sub-human? Are you doing an audition to become the next femi-nazi press officer or something?

And I’ve got news for you half of that ‘clump of cells’ as you persist in calling the baby originates from whatever man had intercourse with the woman hence the genetic material still wouldn’t be yours. It was a part of your body for as long as the egg was unfertilised, when it was fertilised and began to divide and multiply it was no longer part of you it was a separate and distinctive entity.

And as for your ‘source’, it doesn’t prove anything like what you seem to think it does. You said the “vast majority”, now by rough calculation assuming the population of the world to be 6 billion, women to represent around half of that and the majority to constitute at least a quarter of the whole population we get a total of 1.5 billion women which would make up a bare majority (around 50% of women worldwide). That UN site said “millions of women” not tens of million let alone several hundred million or a billion and a half, and even that wouldn’t be sufficient to prove your claim because the vast majority of women constitutes rather more than 50%.
 
LRThunder said:
With all due respect, the United Nations isn’t a credible source.
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True under the United Nations more genocide has occurred unchecked. The funny thing is when America gets its Allies together to go stop the atrocities it is America that is the bad guys and not the UN who sits there saying hey lets right another resolution that will stop the genocide.
 
KenEOTE said:
True under the United Nations more genocide has occurred unchecked.
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And in the case of the “population control” genocode which includes abortion and contraception, the UN are criminally responsible as one of the main participants. :mad:
 
agnostic said:
And the child finding out she/he was born out of a violent encounter in the park one night with an unknown man, who might now be in prison for life for rape, or else knowing their father was never caught but is out there raping heck knows how many women over the years since, is unloved and unwanted and was given up to others for this very reason, is not punishment :confused: I know what is the lesser of the the two evils for all concerned - and it’s not what the catholic church, a male based, male dominated, male administered institution, would have us brainwashed into believing.
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I think I and many like me have done quite well thank you. My mom is in a nursing home and still won’t or can’t give me a name. Yet, I am very grateful for the fact that she chose life for me. The only problems I had were from the extended family members that thought I should be executed for another’s sin. I pray for them daily.
 
agnostic said:
You’re just towing the party line. You haven’t actually addressed anything I said or disproved it. My body is mine. Prove to me it isn’t. The cells growing in it are just that - cells, that are part of my body - prove to me that is not so. Getting rid of a bunch of cells is not ‘‘slaughter’’ - killing innocent victims in an illegal war, now that’s slaughter.
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You are trying to tow the pro-choice (murder) party line on a Catholic Site. The murder of a new life is not how to protect your body and rights.
 
Agnostic,
I am sorry for your viewpoint and hope that one day you will think
differently, for your sake.
If you are such a strong women, why do you not choose your
partner with more care? The man who would abandon you be-
cause you are pregnant would also not stick around if you were
disabled or came down with a fatal disease.
Many women who have had abortions have been devastated by
the experience (silentnomore.com) and many women who were
raped have gone on to have the baby have been able to lovingly
raise the child or to give it up for adoption.
Why does the abortion industry not want women to be asked if
they (the women seeking an abortion) are been forced to have the
abortion? Or to be shown a sonogram of these “clumps of cells”?
I am a woman and the mother of women and the grandmother
of women. I do have a vested interest in this topic!!! We try to
help women who have problems. My granddaughters are young
but appropriate to the age, they are being brought up to value
themselves. As teenagers my daughters did not bring home
stray dogs and cats (though they now adopt unwanted cats and
dogs) but they did bring home girls who were pregnant and being
forced out of their homes because they did not want an abortion.
We found homes for them and most had their babies.
With the energy you seem to have, maybe you could channel
it to enpower women with knowledge and confidence instead
of hatred for males. (Yeah, I read that you “love” men)
 
agnostic said:
Well we could start with the United Nations but I can site you hundreds of sources if you’re really interested
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From your source:
The “underreported” stories include rampant domestic violence in Russia, sex slavery in India, self-immolation in Central Asia, gender-based violence and HIV, and “compensation” marriages in several parts of the world.
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I’m not seeing how abortion will solve any of these problems. 🤷
 
snhs said:
So by your logic when Hitler declared the Jews to be undermenchen they were sub-human? Are you doing an audition to become the next femi-nazi press officer or something?
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Oh now come on, let’s not be silly 😃 I was harking back to what was said in a previous post and the fact that your church ‘‘declares’’ things, and so it is - likewise, the cells growing in a woman’s body are just that, cells, growing in HER body, and she has the right to chose what happens over her body. Clearly you don’t agree, which is fine, but that’s my view, and you saying it’s wrong does not make it so.
And as for your ‘source’, it doesn’t prove anything like what you seem to think it does. …to prove your claim because the vast majority of women constitutes rather more than 50%.
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Well, like I said, I just chucked out one source, but if you’re really interested I can direct you to numerous others - you have to remember that that vast majority of abuses against women go unreported, and unrecognised. And it’s not just in the fields of easily identifiable abuses, how many women worldwide face a glass ceiling in their careers because they chose to have a family, how many women worldwide earn less than men do for the same work and so on, oh yes indeed, the vast majority of women on this planet, in one way or another, suffer abuse of one form or another - and all your playing around with elementary statistics won’t change that fact for women.
 
TexCatholic4JMJ said:
With the energy you seem to have, maybe you could channel
it to enpower women with knowledge and confidence instead
of hatred for males. (Yeah, I read that you “love” men)
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I work with several womens groups who do just that. 👍 And incidently, we also support women to keep their babies if that is what they want. But the key thing is, it’s what they want - we don’t force them - we give them all the options, and they decide for themselves. And we support them whatever the decision they make. These women have been through enough - what we don’t do is add to their agony by making them feel like they’re going to go to hell 👍
 
agnostic said:
And the child finding out she/he was born out of a violent encounter in the park one night with an unknown man, who might now be in prison for life for rape, or else knowing their father was never caught but is out there raping heck knows how many women over the years since, is unloved and unwanted and was given up to others for this very reason, is not punishment :confused: I know what is the lesser of the the two evils for all concerned - and it’s not what the catholic church, a male based, male dominated, male administered institution, would have us brainwashed into believing.
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Does killing one person for another person’s crime really solve the issue? You might claim that a fetus isn’t a human being, but fact is fact. A fetus has its own, personal, human DNA at the moment it is conceived. It’s not some cancerous growth spawn from a woman’s womb. It is a living being.

Can you even claim you have knowledge of what is evil and what isn’t? I mean, what source is giving you this information? You can blame the Catholic church all you want- it won’t make your claims anymore true. It only seems to be coming from one source… you. I call that conceit.
 
agnostic said:
Thanks for your concern :rolleyes: but it is misplaced. If I’m angry at anything it’s women always being scapegoated for men and their sins. Women get raped and sexually abused every minute of every day, both inside and outside of marriage, and if they get pregnant they are expected to carry to full term and ‘‘love’’ the results of the rape :eek: otherwise they are undermining the very fabric of society. Do you see that? It’s the woman’s fault - not a mention of the men who abused and raped? It would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.
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As a feminist, I take umbrage with the victim status to which you assign the female gender.

Your use of extremes, IE, pregnancies resulting from rape, is frankly, disgusting. “When you got nothin’ else, go to the extreme”

The fact of the matter is almost all (95-98%) pregnancies result from consensual sex. The issue of those who claim date rape (included in the 95-98%) frivolously is a topic for another thread.

Women have the ultimate power in these relationships. They have the power to say no, and mean it. Women have the right to agree to sex, and accept what nature, not through some mutation, but in the course of ordinary, provides.

Victim status women, of which you appear to be, want it both ways. They want to be taken seriously as powerful decision makers, capable of asserting themselves in every business situation, then when something doesn’t go their way, skulk back into the “what can I do, I’m only a girl” garbage. That rhetoric might have worked twenty five years ago, but it doesn’t wash here.
 
maggiemay2u said:
As a feminist, I take umbrage with the victim status to which you assign the female gender.

Your use of extremes, IE, pregnancies resulting from rape, is frankly, disgusting. “When you got nothin’ else, go to the extreme”

The fact of the matter is almost all (95-98%) pregnancies result from consensual sex. The issue of those who claim date rape (included in the 95-98%) frivolously is a topic for another thread.

Women have the ultimate power in these relationships. They have the power to say no, and mean it. Women have the right to agree to sex, and accept what nature, not through some mutation, but in the course of ordinary, provides.

Victim status women, of which you appear to be, want it both ways. They want to be taken seriously as powerful decision makers, capable of asserting themselves in every business situation, then when something doesn’t go their way, skulk back into the “what can I do, I’m only a girl” garbage. That rhetoric might have worked twenty five years ago, but it doesn’t wash here.
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😃 You’re funny 😃

The women I work with do not have the ultimate power in the relationship. They said no and meant it - they still got forced to have sex and got pregnant as a result. You said ‘‘Women have the right to agree to sex’’ :confused: wow - I never knew that :rolleyes: You really are a feminist aren’t you 👍

Oh yes the women I work with are victims. Real victims. And their victimisation continues long after the event by their families, husbands, boyfriends and church. As for your comment about ‘‘what can I do I’m only a girl’’ - I have no idea what you’re drinking right now but please stop :rolleyes:

Anyways, best let you get back to reading one of your nice feminist novels, while I try and offer some practical support to these victim status women you so abhor 👍
 
agnostic said:
😃 You’re funny 😃

The women I work with do not have the ultimate power in the relationship. They said no and meant it - they still got forced to have sex and got pregnant as a result. You said ‘‘Women have the right to agree to sex’’ :confused: wow - I never knew that :rolleyes: You really are a feminist aren’t you 👍

Oh yes the women I work with are victims. Real victims. And their victimisation continues long after the event by their families, husbands, boyfriends and church. As for your comment about ‘‘what can I do I’m only a girl’’ - I have no idea what you’re drinking right now but please stop :rolleyes:

Anyways, best let you get back to reading one of your nice feminist novels, while I try and offer some practical support to these victim status women you so abhor 👍
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Oh, now you work with victims…hmmmm…first time you’ve mentioned that here. Convenient.

By definition, a feminist seeks political and economic, equality of the sexes. A woman’s vote should have the same, not more, value than a man’s. A woman should earn the same wage as a man for the same job.

The differences between social roles are celebrated not confused.

The term has been co-opted to excuse behavior, as opposed to embrace the power that comes from taking responsibility for one’s own actions.
 
maggiemay2u said:
Oh, now you work with victims…hmmmm…first time you’ve mentioned that here. Convenient.
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I was repeating the word you used as in ‘‘victim status’’ of your post 👍
By definition, a feminist seeks political and economic, equality of the sexes. A woman’s vote should have the same, not more, value than a man’s. A woman should earn the same wage as a man for the same job.
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Erm, yes …thanks for that :confused: Have you ever looked into the pay differential between men and women doing the say or similar jobs :confused:
The term has been co-opted to excuse behavior, as opposed to embrace the power that comes from taking responsibility for one’s own actions.
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You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, have you 😛 Stop reading fancy books on feminism and get involved in the real world of women, the drug rehab centres, the rape crisis centres, the abortion clinics, the domestic violence units, the rough sleepers programmes, the sex trafficked cells, then come back to me and lecture me again about political and economic equality and equal pay awards and victimhood.

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agnostic said:
No it doesn’t. That is only ONE point of view. Women have a right to chose, and men dressed in frocks living in palaces of luxury disconnected from the real world have no right whatever to tell me that I have to have a child if I became pregnant from a rape.

And the fact I have an abortion will affect only me. No one and nothing else. To try and say that me having an abortion somehow undermines the very fabric of society is such BS it’s not worth commenting on. I’ll tell you who undermines society. Priests and other religious that abuse their position and authority, rapists, murderers, paedophiles, an ineffective prison system, an ineffective government, women forced to prostitute themselves to put food on the table, illiteracy, these are the things that undermine every other social issue - not abortions, nor women who have abortions. Why do women have abortions? For a laugh? Coz they’re bored one day? Get real. But for every pregnant woman aborting there was a man involved. What about picking on the men eh? What about telling MEN they undermine society if their women have abortions and lets see men in their real light and women as the real victims here.
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No child should have to endure a slow and painful death at the hands of an abortionist simply for the sake of YOUR reproductive freedoms.

Your ideology has lead to the deaths of more innocent human beings than Hitler’s holocaust.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
No child should have to endure a slow and painful death at the hands of an abortionist simply for the sake of YOUR reproductive freedoms.

Your ideology has lead to the deaths of more innocent human beings than Hitler’s holocaust.
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😊 Dang it - I feel terrible now 😊

Course, the church has never put anyone to death have they - oh, well, I mean a few million heathens over the years, but that’s neither here nor there.

And of course the men of the church that would condemn these women to hell are so thoroughly and industriously putting all their wealth and resources into supporting them aren’t they 🤷 ‘‘Dont do it - you’re going to hell gurlfriend’’ That’s such an enormous help to a HIV positive 16 year old girl, HIV positive from a gang rape initiation she was subjected to by her boyfriend, who’s now pregnant, with no home, no family, and only the gang to look after her. :rolleyes:
 
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