No Compromises: Kansas State Bishops Declare Voting for Abortion Candidate is "Evil

[Fitswimmer]

The correct course of action would be to start a new thread on which to discuss the issue.

Pray for the Kansas bishops; they are holy men and need our continued prayers of support!!

I keep forgetting that discussions are not to evolve on CAF. We must stay strictly on topic!!!

 

[wanner47]

I keep forgetting that discussions are not to evolve on CAF. We must stay strictly on topic!!!

There’s a difference between a discussion evolving and a discussion turning into a trainwreck. Sadly, the latter happens much more often than the former, thanks to the trolls who hang about and love to sow discord and confusion.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I keep forgetting that discussions are not to evolve on CAF. We must stay strictly on topic!!!

The problem with excessive topical drift is that a wandering moderator person might padlock the thread. It has been known to happen.

It’s easy enough to start a new thread.

So … do any of the posters or lurkers here in/with know of any other bishops who have declared that voting for an abortion candidate is “evil” … or words to that effect?

And let us pray that more bishops take to heart the words of the Holy Spirit whispering into their ears.

Bishops’ robes are red … because they are our designated martyrs.

At Mass on Sunday, the priest held up a collection of the portraits of all 265 popes/ bishops of Rome and pointed out that for the first 300+ … almost 400 years of the Catholic Church … becoming the bishop of Rome was a guarantee of martyrdom.

[How would you like to take a job in which all your predecessors … there’s an applicable word … were murdered … going back more than 300 years!!! ]

We don’t ask that of too many of our bishops anymore. But that’s the essence of their job.

Let us pray for our Bishops to have courage!

 

[Fitswimmer]

There’s a difference between a discussion evolving and a discussion turning into a trainwreck. Sadly, the latter happens much more often than the former, thanks to the trolls who hang about and love to sow discord and confusion.

Nice. What a charitable attitude to have about others. Christian love just shines though there…

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Thread has been pruned of recent off-topic posts. As othrs have pointed out, there is no need for discussions to “evolve” since there are already ongoing discussions of almost anything this could evolve into. If not, a new thread can always be opened in the appropriate forum.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

I support voting for pro-life candidates, ThomasF. That’s why I’m writing-in Ron Paul on my ballot this time around.

I for one wasn’t waiting for us to go to war with anybody after 9/11–just for them to catch bin Laden. I’ll say right up front Iraq is a dirty, evil, immoral war. So would attacking Iran be–considering the IAEA continues to verify they are not diverting any nuclear materials toward any military purpose. So would going to war with Russia over Georgia, considering South Ossetia and Abkhazia have the right to self-determination and moreover a precedent for secession in the form of Kosovo–a precedent WE set, and considering that Georgia’s aggression occurred first (read Pat Buchanan’s columns on this).

And I still hope to see Bush and Cheney impeached over these and about a hundred other things.

 

[EJHKS]

Im am pleased to see this happening. I am from Wichita Ks. And a Knight of C. I urge all Kansans to let their Bishops know you are grateful for the move they made. I would also ask the Bishops know that it is also hoped that they will speak up about the politions who support abortion and simular issues not being in a state of grace to accept Holy communion. As a few Bishops have done in the past few days Since the Nancy Palossi publicly misinterprated Church Teachings.

 

[Kevin_Simmons]

…I just can’t keep voting for the lesser of two evils which is what we keep doing inthis country lately because we fail to actually put up a good candidate. …He has to carry more than just one issue.

I agree that it is sad that we must choose the lesser of two evils when we vote, but it is equally impermissible to allow a candidate to obtain office that we know is not where s/he should be morally. We must vote. It is our duty, especially in a society that allows it. If you believe that there are no acceptable candidates then do something about it. “The greatest evil is when good men do nothing” (forgot who said it). We know what is to be done, so we must do it.

 

[fritz]

While I am not comparing the war to abortion I do find it evil and cannot in good conscience support anyoe who also supports it. Which leaves me no choice but to abstain this year. I agree we should fight against abortion always but as Catholics if we were to follow the advice of both the current pope and his predecessor we would not have allowed this war either. True it does not carry the same weight but I just can’t keep voting for the lesser of two evils which is what we keep doing inthis country lately because we fail to actually put up a good candidate. Somehow if the candidate was agianst abortion but had every other Catholic position wrong we would find some way to support him. Not me. He has to carry more than just one issue.

 

[fritz]

If, as you say, you refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils candidate. I fear that you will become a non voting citizen from now on. Instead of the less evil, I generally look for the more attractive choice but realize that all candidates are the children of Adam even as I am.
Of course, war is evil. I pray our current President was, as most of the congress, convinced that it was the only way to deal with Iraq’s threat to us all. you and me included. (The Pope said “no”). The Presidents action then was at worst ill advised.
When the current Dem. presidential candidate was chosen, he was known to be a very firm supporter of abortion and more recently, discovered to have been a supporter of infanticide as well. His choice I consider evil (not just ill advised}.
The pro-life candidate who is wrong on every other Catholic issue you describe has not been born and won’t appear in our lifetimes so don’t worry. But about you not voting…?

 

[una_fides]

That may well be true but voting for someone who sends our men to die in a senseless war should also be considered evil. That settles it. I won’t vote this year.

I do hope you are not applying the same weight to war as to abortion. Yes, unjust war is wrong but we have to do what we can with the candidate we are provided. If option A is better than option B, then we are under an obligation to limit the devastation. Pope John Paul II I believe wrote something about this fact. We must exercise our right to cast the vote for the better candidate, not the perfect one, for if that were the case, then only the immoral would vote and the country would be entirely lost.

 

[mullenpm]

Has anyone been watching the “Daily Mass” on EWTN these past few days.

The homily’s are heavy on the abortion issue and a Catholic responsibility with respect to voting for a Pro-Choice (abortionist) candidate.

Father Anthony Mary had a homily today and a few days ago; yesterday Fr. Mitch Pacwa also was very strong on this area.

This evening on “EWTN LIVE”, Father Pacwa and his guest Father Richard Hogan (Gospel of Life) spent the whole program on addressing Pelosi’s apparent lack of knowledge on her Catholic faith.

It appears that many Bishops have responded to Ms. Pelosi (D.C., Phila., NY., Denver, etc.)

:harp:

 

[rlg94086]

BTW…earlier in this thread, Jim and I were discussing an interview of Archbishop Chaput on World Over with Raymond Arroyo. EWTN has posted an audio file of the interview for anyone who is interested:

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?seriesID=-6892288&T1=world+over

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

That may well be true but voting for someone who sends our men to die in a senseless war should also be considered evil. That settles it. I won’t vote this year.

While I am not comparing the war to abortion I do find it evil and cannot in good conscience support anyoe who also supports it. Which leaves me no choice but to abstain this year.

Then vote for a third party candidate, Jim. There’s no excuse not to vote at all, in my opinion.

 

[Ender]

We must exercise our right to cast the vote for the better candidate, not the perfect one, for if that were the case, then only the immoral would vote and the country would be entirely lost.

This is precisely what the Kansas bishops said in their voter guide.

"Because we have a moral obligation to vote, deciding not to vote at all is not ordinarily an acceptable solution to this dilemma. So, when there is no choice of a candidate that avoids supporting intrinsically evil actions, especially elective abortion, we should vote in such a way as to allow the least harm to innocent human life and dignity. We would not be acting immorally therefore if we were to vote for a candidate who is not totally acceptable in order to defeat one who poses an even greater threat to human life and dignity."

Ender

 

[Excelency]

Let us remember that of the nine supreme court justices that voted on Roe V. Wade, six were republican. They had the majority, they could have stopped it but they did not. Let us also remember that Richard Nixon, a republican was president at the time. Can we also consider that since the abortion holocaust began there have been five republican presidents and eight republican terms and at this time we have fourty million dead innocents. Please tell me who the party of death truly is?

 

[maggiemay2u]

Let us remember that of the nine supreme court justices that voted on Roe V. Wade, six were republican. They had the majority, they could have stopped it but they did not. Let us also remember that Richard Nixon, a republican was president at the time. Can we also consider that since the abortion holocaust began there have been five republican presidents and eight republican terms and at this time we have fourty million dead innocents. Please tell me who the party of death truly is?

And where have we, as Catholics been? Have we been in every Catholic publication? Have w eroutinely called and visited our politicians’ offices and made them aware of what our first priority is, and meant it? Have we shaken the hand of our pro-abort politicians and allowed ourselves to be star struck? Have we organized in our parishes, and let the pastor know how important the issue of life, as a message in the gospel, is to us? Have we walked the sidewalks after mass to bring the message to our fellow Catholics?

The other side has not been silent for these many years. They’ve out marched and manuevered us. They’ve outspent us in court. Activism must be met with activism. The bonus for our side is that we have prayer. What we need is a few mustard seeds.

 

[mlchance]

Please tell me who the party of death truly is?

The Democratic Party, which has enshrined abortion-on-demand in its party platform, backed up by fighting tooth-and-nail against even the most modest anti-abortion legislation.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Excelency]

The Democratic Party, which has enshrined abortion-on-demand in its party platform, backed up by fighting tooth-and-nail against even the most modest anti-abortion legislation.

– Mark L. Chance.

Then you are saying the republican party has made up for starting the abortion holocaust and now everything is fine. Are you saying that fourty million murdered innocents is all fine and dandy now because the holy republican party has renounced the Roe V. Wade ruling. I don’t recall hearing that.

So it is alright to now blame the democrats for what the republicans started. I have to do some more research, but a friend pointed out that when the republicans are in the rate of abortion goes up, primarilly because there is less money in the peoples pocket when the republicans are in office. When the dems are in the rate goes down. My take is that if you want to save a baby, you MUST ignore the talk and vote for a democrat no matter how bitter that may be. this not your life we are talking about. Voting for the republicans is like voting for the nazi’s as caretakers of the Jews.

There is no argument you can offer that can relieve the republican party of this guilt. They started it and I can never reward them for it, no matter how loudly they pledge their allegiance or how high they wave the flag. They are the party of death and you cannot change that. It matters not what they say now. Charles Manson will never be released from prison, why? Because he is a murderer. I don’t want to hear about how sorry he is, that is for the ears of God. Here on Earth we cannot allow these kind of people to have influence. The republican party started the holocaust when they could have stopped it cold for all time. They said death to the unborn instead. I would break up the party if I had the legal authrority.

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Reminder: Please discuss issues, not candidates or parties.