No, Joe! U.S Catholic Bishops Say Biden Spoke Falsely

[gilliam]

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has issued a statement saying that Vice President Joe Biden’s assertion in Thursday night’s debate that Obamacare’s sterilization-contraception-abortifacient regulation does not apply to Catholic and other religious institutions is not true.

“This is not a fact,” the bishops said of Biden’s claim.

“With regard to the assault on the Catholic Church, let me make it absolutely clear,” Biden said in the debate. “No religious institution—Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital—none has to either refer for contraception. None has to pay for contraception. None has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact. That is a fact.”

“This is not a fact,” said a statement issued by the U.S.C.C.B on Friday. “The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain ‘religious employers.’ That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to ‘Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,’ or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.

“HHS has proposed an additional ‘accommodation’ for religious organizations like these, which HHS itself describes as ‘non-exempt,’” said the U.S.C.C.B. “That proposal does not even potentially relieve these organizations from the obligation ‘to pay for contraception’ and ‘to be a vehicle to get contraception.’ They will have to serve as a vehicle, because they will still be forced to provide their employees with health coverage, and that coverage will still have to include sterilization, contraception, and abortifacients. They will have to pay for these things, because the premiums that the organizations (and their employees) are required to pay will still be applied, along with other funds, to cover the cost of these drugs and surgeries.”

cnsnews.com/news/article/no-joe-us-catholic-bishops-say-biden-spoke-falsely

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Ryan should have called him out on the misrepresentations much stronger than he did. Mentioning the various lawsuits was insufficient. Ryan should have simply stated that Biden’s statements were completely false.

 

[scipio337]

Knew that was coming!

 

[maryj]

Ryan should have called him out on the misrepresentations much stronger than he did. Mentioning the various lawsuits was insufficient. Ryan should have simply stated that Biden’s statements were completely false.

I am still bugged today about this, I couldn’t agree more. Ryan had to have known this would have been Bidens answer and I feel like he did a really poor job of responding. I am more disappointed in Ryan than I am at Biden for some reason

 

[tomarin]

I am still bugged today about this, I couldn’t agree more. Ryan had to have known this would have been Bidens answer and I feel like he did a really poor job of responding. I am more disappointed in Ryan than I am at Biden for some reason

Well he did respond by interjecting (I’m paraphrasing) “if your administration respects the Catholic Church, why do they keep suing them?” if I remember correctly. I think they were talking over each other at the time.

 

[Scalia]

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has issued a statement saying that Vice President Joe Biden’s assertion in Thursday night’s debate that Obamacare’s sterilization-contraception-abortifacient regulation does not apply to Catholic and other religious institutions is not true.

“This is not a fact,” the bishops said of Biden’s claim.

“With regard to the assault on the Catholic Church, let me make it absolutely clear,” Biden said in the debate. “No religious institution—Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital—none has to either refer for contraception. None has to pay for contraception. None has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact. That is a fact.”

“This is not a fact,” said a statement issued by the U.S.C.C.B on Friday. “The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain ‘religious employers.’ That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to ‘Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,’ or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.

“HHS has proposed an additional ‘accommodation’ for religious organizations like these, which HHS itself describes as ‘non-exempt,’” said the U.S.C.C.B. “That proposal does not even potentially relieve these organizations from the obligation ‘to pay for contraception’ and ‘to be a vehicle to get contraception.’ They will have to serve as a vehicle, because they will still be forced to provide their employees with health coverage, and that coverage will still have to include sterilization, contraception, and abortifacients. They will have to pay for these things, because the premiums that the organizations (and their employees) are required to pay will still be applied, along with other funds, to cover the cost of these drugs and surgeries.”

cnsnews.com/news/article/no-joe-us-catholic-bishops-say-biden-spoke-falsely

Wow…Biden’s statements were brazen lies. I can’t remember the last time the USCCB had to call someone out like this. Shame on Biden. What shocks me is that I know some people will still believe Biden, over the Bishops because they simply want the lies to be true.

 

[Scalia]

usccb.org/news/2012/12-163.cfm

I just wanted to post a link directly to the statement.

 

[tomarin]

Wow…Biden’s statements were brazen lies. I can’t remember the last time the USCCB had to call someone out like this. Shame on Biden. What shocks me is that I know some people will still believe Biden, over the Bishops because they simply want the lies to be true.

Shame is right. I can’t help but wonder what it must be like to profess allegiance to a Church while dissembling about a blatant attack your administration is waging on your Church?

 

[Scalia]

Shame is right. I can’t help but wonder what it must be like to profess allegiance to a Church while dissembling about a blatant attack your administration is waging on your Church?

Agreed. My daughter goes to a Dominican school. Many, many young, strong charismatic nuns, who are faithful to the Church. That Order is growing, while the liberal, social justice orders wither on the vine. Seems like a metaphor for the Church itself. The renewal of faith and the resurrection of the Church militant, no matter how small, give me hope for the future. I’m 50 years old and have waited my entire life for the Dominicans, Cardinals Dolan, Chaput, Lori etc.

 

[maryj]

Well he did respond by interjecting (I’m paraphrasing) “if your administration respects the Catholic Church, why do they keep suing them?” if I remember correctly. I think they were talking over each other at the time.

I heard his mumbled response, and I heard vp Joe Biden tell millions of people he is a practicing catholic, all his life…this is when I got up and walked out of the room, and began to pray!

 

[maryj]

Agreed. My daughter goes to a Dominican school. Many, many young, strong charismatic nuns, who are faithful to the Church. That Order is growing, while the liberal, social justice orders wither on the vine. Seems like a metaphor for the Church itself. The renewal of faith and the resurrection of the Church militant, no matter how small, give me hope for the future. I’m 50 years old and have waited my entire life for the Dominicans, Cardinals Dolan, Chaput, Lori etc.

My aunt was a Benedictan nun…she would have grabbed Biden by the ear!! AND…God Bless Archbishop chaput, and Cardinal Dolan!!!

 

[Lormar]

God bless the bishops for speaking up and calling him out on this!

 

[scipio337]

Agreed. My daughter goes to a Dominican school. Many, many young, strong charismatic nuns, who are faithful to the Church. That Order is growing, while the liberal, social justice orders wither on the vine. Seems like a metaphor for the Church itself. The renewal of faith and the resurrection of the Church militant, no matter how small, give me hope for the future. I’m 50 years old and have waited my entire life for the Dominicans, Cardinals Dolan, Chaput, Lori etc.

I read an interesting op-ed with this analysis yesterday before the debate:

Yet they also almost perfectly embody the split in the American church as well as in American politics, with Biden representing the old-school, union-tied, Vatican II generation of Kennedy-loving Catholics whose focus is social justice and who are comfortable with questioning. He was praised for being the only kid in his ninth-grade theology class who copped to doubts about transubstantiation, and his mother also famously instructed him, when she heard he was meeting the pope, “Don’t you kiss his ring!”

Ryan, meanwhile, upholds the younger, more conservative, John Paul II-era, anti-abortion-focused Catholicism of the sonogram generation…

washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/10/09/stp1010/

I do believe the stark differences betwenn Biden and Ryan represent the split in the American Church.

 

[Lormar]

"…Biden representing the old-school, union-tied, Vatican II generation of Kennedy-loving Catholics whose focus is social justice and who are comfortable with questioning. He was praised for being the only kid in his ninth-grade theology class who copped to doubts about transubstantiation, and his mother also famously instructed him, when she heard he was meeting the pope, “Don’t you kiss his ring!”

I see the apple didn’t fall far from the tree,

 

[tomarin]

I heard his mumbled response, and I heard vp Joe Biden tell millions of people he is a practicing catholic, all his life…this is when I got up and walked out of the room, and began to pray!

Then you missed his Cuomo-esque handling of the question of the morality of abortion.

 

[losh14]

After Biden’s comments I really wanted to send him my rosary and ask him to pray with me for an end to the need for abortion - while keeping it legal, keeping the option for a safe abortion in place, let’s work to make it rare.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Glad the Bishops corrected Biden

 

[Regina_Love]

biden said he wouldn’t impose his views on others. But he’s willing to impose lots of taxes, imposed health care, imposed Government control of Religion… He stands with a President who likes China’s policy where couples need to apply for a license to have a child. The government can deny them. Only one child per family max. If you don’t have government approval, they will come to your home, take your wife, abort your baby, and sterize her!

Did Biden miss the memo; God is the creater of Life? It is our pleasure & mission to share the good news! Millions of couples seek to adopt a baby each year, but there aren’t any. If the millions of babies that were aborted, had lived since Roe VS Wade, they would be buying clothing, cars, and homes. They would be producing, inventing, consuming. We would have a more active thriving economy. The taxes collected would offset the defisit.

I don’t trust any body to lead me, or be in power, who thinks it OK or even GOOD, to kill innocent people. EPIC FAIL

 

[Catherine_S]

Ryan should have called him out on the misrepresentations much stronger than he did. Mentioning the various lawsuits was insufficient. Ryan should have simply stated that Biden’s statements were completely false.

In any case, one could say, Vice President Binden hung himself out to dry and provided the Bishops a perfect** opportunity** to call him on his* false statement!! *
A lemon that made a bit of* sweeeeeeeet*** lemonade indeed!!

 

[Catherine_S]

God bless the bishops for speaking up and calling him out on this!

Indeed
In any case,* one could say,*** Vice President Binden hung himself and provided the Bishops a perfect** opportunity** to call him on his** false statement!!
The lemon** that made a bit of* sweeeeeeeet*** lemonade !!
**