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Catholics “have no reason to celebrate” the Reformation, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith says in a new book-length interview. Cardinal Gerhard …

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Catholics need to be reminded not to celebrate the reformation.!!! :eek: That seems like a statement for the state of the Catholic church today. My goodness, I thought that went without saying. What’s happening to us?

I have always been a proponent of distancing ourselves in name from those whom Christ designated has non Christian and who call themselves so. Christ set up only one legitimate Christian Church.
 
djames99 said:
Catholics need to be reminded not to celebrate the reformation.!!! :eek: That seems like a statement for the state of the Catholic church today. My goodness, I thought that went without saying. What’s happening to us?

I have always been a proponent of distancing ourselves in name from those whom Christ designated has non Christian and who call themselves so. Christ set up only one legitimate Christian Church.
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So the Cardinal doesn’t think the Counter-Reformation is something worth celebrating? :confused:
 
Amazing how many blatantly basic truths of the Christian faith have to be bluntly stated today.

Of course Catholics should not celebrate the Protestant Revolution/Rupture. No one should.
 
Well, actually the Lutherans and Roman Catholics ARE going to be marking (perhaps not so much celebrating as marking) the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. It will be an historic event. The Liturgy written for the joint services is very well done. It has been posted on several threads here. It calls for repentance from both faith communities, among other things.

I think the remembrance is extremely important.
 
Padres1969 said:
So the Cardinal doesn’t think the Counter-Reformation is something worth celebrating? :confused:
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While a good Catholic believes the Church in unerring in faith and morals, they can still recognize that the Church as an institution of men makes mistakes in other matters all the time and is vulnerable to excess and corruption. Challenges to the men of the Church are important to maintain its integrity.

Looking at the corruption of many Renaissance popes and all the good that came out of the Counter Reformation, I would think many Catholics could see a lot of good that came out of the Reformation, even if they lament the enduring schism.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Well, actually the Lutherans and Roman Catholics ARE going to be marking (perhaps not so much celebrating as marking) the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. It will be an historic event.** The Liturgy written for the joint services is very well done.** It has been posted on several threads here. It calls for repentance from both faith communities, among other things.

I think the remembrance is extremely important.
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Do you have a link to the liturgy planned to be used?
 
I agree with the Cardinal. It wouldn’t make sense for Catholics to celebrate the Protestant Revolt.
 
Well, haven’t popes praised Martin Luther?

It’s only a baby step from praising the man to “celebrating” what he initiated.

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carefullytread said:
While a good Catholic believes the Church in unerring in faith and morals, they can still recognize that the Church as an institution of men makes mistakes in other matters all the time and is vulnerable to excess and corruption. Challenges to the men of the Church are important to maintain its integrity.

Looking at the corruption of many Renaissance popes and all the good that came out of the Counter Reformation, I would think many Catholics could see a lot of good that came out of the Reformation, even if they lament the enduring schism.
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That was kind of my implication. Yes it was unfortunate that the Reformation happened and the formal structure of the extant western church of the time fractured as a result. But it also had the very beneficial side effect of triggering the Counter-Reformation and Council of Trent which did much to help the Catholic Church, whose leadership particular in the century before the Reformation and Counter-Reformation had seriously lost its way.
 
Padres1969 said:
That was kind of my implication. Yes it was unfortunate that the Reformation happened and the formal structure of the extant western church of the time fractured as a result. But it also had the very beneficial side effect of triggering the Counter-Reformation and Council of Trent which did much to help the Catholic Church, whose leadership particular in the century before the Reformation and Counter-Reformation had seriously lost its way.
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Yes, that implication was clear! I just meant to add to your comment.

I look at the things like the Reformation, the Unification of Italy (and loss of the Papal States), etc. and see boons for the Church in terms of its integrity. Yes, the tragedies are real, but without them, corruption doesn’t get addressed. The Church is healthier for Trent, it is healthier for losing its temporal power.
 
Padres1969 said:
That was kind of my implication. Yes it was unfortunate that the Reformation happened and the formal structure of the extant western church of the time fractured as a result. But it also had the very beneficial side effect of triggering the Counter-Reformation and Council of Trent which did much to help the Catholic Church, whose leadership particular in the century before the Reformation and Counter-Reformation had seriously lost its way.
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The event also sends a strong message that the leaders of both Churches can come together and pray together. We can go forward in how we DO represent our traditions. I know that when Pope Benedict went to England and there was a service in Westminster Abbey with Archbishop Rowan Williams, it was extremely powerful. Relations there between the present Archbishop and the RC Cardinal are very strong because of that.

I know that the Reformation in Germany was difficult for both sides of the struggle, but it did change history and today we can move forward by standing together in Christ’s name.
 
Read this entire article at new advent, then tell me what exactly the Catholic Church needs to make reparation for in regards to the reformation newadvent.org/cathen/12700b.htm

When one looks at the disunity created by Luther et al, i see no good results from splitting the Body of Christ.
 
The reformation was the greatest disaster in the history of Christian civilization. It splintered the faith, lead to wars in which hundreds of thousands died, led to people rejecting religion in favour of secularism through the enlightenment, which led to the french revolution and the reing of terror. The roots of our modern secular materialistic society and even the rise of communism, can all be traced to the Reformation.
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
I agree with the Cardinal. It wouldn’t make sense for Catholics to celebrate the Protestant Revolt.
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Same here. People can talk about the beneficial side effects like the Counter-Reformation all they want. That’s like saying that we should celebrate bullies because that toughens people up at school, or something incredibly twisted like that.
 
Johann_du_Toit said:
The reformation was the greatest disaster in the history of Christian civilization. It splintered the faith, lead to wars in which hundreds of thousands died, led to people rejecting religion in favour of secularism through the enlightenment, which led to the french revolution and the reing of terror. The roots of our modern secular materialistic society and even the rise of communism, can all be traced to the Reformation.
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Exactly. I wonder how many people actually understand this. To add to this, Marxism was a product of the Protestant Reformation. It was a negative response to the Protestant work ethic, which itself was a response to the cognitive dissonance towards the supposed doctrines that the original Reformers were espousing, namely sola fide, sola gratia, etc.

There is no reason to celebrate the Revolt at all.
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
I agree with the Cardinal. It wouldn’t make sense for Catholics to celebrate the Protestant Revolt.
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But it does make sense, and the Pope will be an official participant. So perhaps he has a different mind about it than you.
 
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