No room for Pro Life Democrats

[randomuser]

There you go trying to change that meaning again and the deflection as always.

So you’re saying someone can still be “pro-life” if they make sexually suggestive comments about women, including their own daughter? Really? That’s who you trust to defend the unborn?

If anyone is “trying to change that meaning again,” it’s everyone who has heralded Trump as the champion of the unborn.

 

[dmelosi]

Then by that very definition, it’s “anti-abortion”, not “pro-life.”

How is the “most innocent of human beings” being protected when the state has very little interest in lowering the exorbitant cost of simply GETTING to be born? Where is the “pro-life” legislation to PROTECT the unborn babies mommies from losing their job if they get pregnant? And how is the “most innocent of human being” being protected when gays and lesbians in some states (not all) are still prohibited from adopting them - and saving them from slaughter?

Since you have such a problem calling it what it is, why don’t you ask the most innocent what they would call it, pro-life or pro-death?

The rest of your thread is making things up. Mommies lose their jobs if they get pregnant?

At least you call it what it is, slaughter.

 

[dmelosi]

So you’re saying someone can still be “pro-life” if they make sexually suggestive comments about women, including their own daughter? Really? That’s who you trust to defend the unborn?

If anyone is “trying to change that meaning again,” it’s everyone who has heralded Trump as the champion of the unborn.

Pro-life = anti-abortion Pro-choice = pro-death, you keep trying to change that meaning.

Who do you trust more? A person who speaks out about abortion or one who openly promotes and defends it. Those that pick the ones that promote and defend are confused.

Who has heralded Trump as the champion of the unborn? He is certainly a ton better than the party of death, but where did anyone name him champion of the unborn. That is really a twist on the facts.

 

[randomuser]

Since you have such a problem calling it what it is, why don’t you ask the most innocent what they would call it, pro-life or pro-death?

The rest of your thread is making things up. Mommies lose their jobs if they get pregnant?

At least you call it what it is, slaughter.

Um…no…definitely not making things up. Mommies CAN and DO lose their jobs if they get pregnant:

In a few months’ time the Equality and Human Rights Commission will publish results of a £1m study that campaigners say will show a huge rise in the numbers of women suffering discrimination because they are pregnant or taking maternity leave.

A new project called Pregnant Then Screwed says it’s already exposing the scale of the problem and is hoping to build a case for change.
Source: bbc.com/news/business-32592215

 

[dmelosi]

Um…no…definitely not making things up. Mommies CAN and DO lose their jobs if they get pregnant:

In a few months’ time the Equality and Human Rights Commission will publish results of a £1m study that campaigners say will show a huge rise in the numbers of women suffering discrimination because they are pregnant or taking maternity leave.

A new project called Pregnant Then Screwed says it’s already exposing the scale of the problem and is hoping to build a case for change.
Source: bbc.com/news/business-32592215

You are accepting as fact something not yet published and from a fake news organization.

 

[jeannetherese]

Because I am pro-life I am a Democrat – I’m against killing thru environmental harms as much as I’m against killing thru abortion (or forcing women to self-abort and die, which complicates the abortion issue), and also against allowing people in our society to die (or engage in abortion) from poverty and lack of medical care when our country is so rich.
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Nobody forces a woman to self abort-she chooses to kill her child herself.
It is a mistake to ignore free will which is capable of both choosing life and also of choosing to change structures which devalue some lives.

 

[randomuser]

You are accepting as fact something not yet published and from a fake news organization.

The BBC is a fake news organization?

 

[dmelosi]

Can you please remind me which March For Life speakers spoke about affordable and accessible delivery or maternity leave or even adoption? Now that gays are permitted to adopt, nobody wants to talk about abortion anymore.

How is it untruthful to say “pro-life” really needs to start meaning more than abortion when that’s the only thing people think about when they hear the phrase? It’s quickly becoming cliche. Particularly when our supposed “pro-life” defender who bragged about groping women and lusting after underage girls? If you want to cry foul, look at who you wanted to represent the babies, not the people who want to represent babies AND mothers.

How is it off-base to accurately say “pro-life” really does only mean anti-abortion when the concerns of those unborn babies’ mommies are never really addressed?

Will the 2018 March For Life be anything other than an another anti-abortion picket?

So you better understand the March for Life
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Life_(Washington,_D.C.)

And also a little about the history of the women’s march on the 8th of March every year.

history.com/news/the-surprising-history-of-international-womens-day

 

[dmelosi]

The BBC is a fake news organization?

So left leaning biased, that I would call it that yes.

 

[YADA]

Can you please remind me which March For Life speakers spoke about affordable and accessible delivery or maternity leave or even adoption? Now that gays are permitted to adopt, nobody wants to talk about abortion anymore.

How is it untruthful to say “pro-life” really needs to start meaning more than abortion when that’s the only thing people think about when they hear the phrase? It’s quickly becoming cliche. Particularly when our supposed “pro-life” defender who bragged about groping women and lusting after underage girls? If you want to cry foul, look at who you wanted to represent the babies, not the people who want to represent babies AND mothers.

How is it off-base to accurately say “pro-life” really does only mean anti-abortion when the concerns of those unborn babies’ mommies are never really addressed?

Will the 2018 March For Life be anything other than an another anti-abortion picket?

You must have never attended a rally - adoption is always spoken of - as is the need to provide assistance to those in a crisis pregnancy …

You always equate the cost of an abortion against the cost of delivering a baby as if the two are remotely similar.

In abortion the abortionist sees the one patient one time - perhaps twice and intends to kill the second one. The abortionist does not care to keep the child’s body intact - and knows he will suffer no lawsuits over that babies death and few if any should the woman die - abortion is the Golden Calf … nothing will be allowed to threaten its hold on society. Abortion clinics do not have to meet the regulatory standards of any other medical clinic. Abortion doctors do not have to have standing or practice rights in any Hospital … want to change those laws - the abortion industry will fight you too and nail - if they loose the legislative fight they turn to the courts and - Abortion is the Golden Calf

With a pregnancy - both patients are treated and receive care by the doctor for a period of 8 to 10 months regularly. The doctors practice in a regulated clinic, they have to meet standards as do all of the staff - there are regular tests performed on both patients and if any thing happens to either that doctor and clinic face legal ramifications. That doctor has to be affiliated with a hospital. The hospital is also regulated and held to the highest standards of care and face legal ramifications if problems arise. Throughout the pregnancy there are tests that involve technicians and labs … at every step of the way up to delivery, during delivery and post delivery.

Health care in this country and every country is expensive - but the fact that abortion - which is not health care is cheaper than a delivery is not the issue - its a straw man argument … and meaningless in this context …

Also - women in this country are paid to be surrogates for people wanting a baby …

Adoption is a loving choice …

No woman needs an abortion due to health care cost … funding would be provided to any woman how asked for that assistance … and there has always been health care available to those without insurance and unable to pay …

 

[jeannetherese]

Which naturally begs the question: Why doesn’t the state do more to help the increasing costs of prenatal care and delivery and requisite maternity leave? “The right to be born” underlies the difference between “pro-life” and anti-abortion.

Perhaps it is a mistake to think that the state has a vested interest in protecting all human life in this country?
For example: if we consider the trends is state supported abortion, euthenasia, captial punichment, and the provision of services which might prolong life, it seems that the state is less interested in the lives of the elderly, the disabled, , those convicted of certain criminal offenses.
Looking towards some of our European counterparts we can see the state braodening categories to include those who have determined that life is not worth living which might be associated with depression.
In all cases, the common thread seems to be ability to create captial, vs. needing to be supported by the creators of capital. The underlying trend in my opinion, is the tendency to put a price on the value of human life both at the state level, and at the personal level where we see arguments concerning the effect of having a child or maintaining an elderly relative as undermining wealth creation of maintenance.

 

[YADA]

Why isn’t any of this represented at the March For Life? That’s what I don’t understand.

You obviously have never attended a pro-Life rally nor worked with the pro-Life movement nor ever met a pro-Life person to know anything about what they think and do. What you do is parrot the democratic talking points that demonize pro-Life people … the same sort of propagandists made a commercial showing Paul Ryan [if I remember correctly pushing an elderly person in a wheel chair off a cliff. Wake up and see for yourself - get involved … So - is adoption and health care mentioned at rallies - YES

From VP Pence’s speech http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...h-at-march-for-life-vp-mike-pence-pledges-pro

That’s why this administration will work with the Congress to end taxpayer funding of abortion and of abortion providers, and we will devote those resources to healthcare services for women across America. … So I urge you to press on. But as it is written, ‘Let your gentleness be evident to all.’ Let this movement be known for love, not anger. Let this movement be known **for compassion, **not confrontation. When it comes to matters of the heart, there is nothing stronger than gentleness.

… through adoptice families who open their hearts and homes …

I believe that we will continue to win the hearts and minds of the rising generation if our hearts first break for young mothers and their unborn children, and if we each of us do all we can to meet them where they are, with generosity, not judgment.

But on the March For Life, the day the “pro-life” community has the world’s attention – why isn’t any of this talked about then?

As you can see and hear - it was … and by many of the other speakers in Washington and many many other cities across the Country - it was mentioned - but did you listen and become involved or ignore and demonize them

 

[Michael68]

You obviously have never attended a pro-Life rally nor worked with the pro-Life movement nor ever met a pro-Life person to know anything about what they think and do. What you do is parrot the democratic talking points that demonize pro-Life people … the same sort of propagandists made a commercial showing Paul Ryan [if I remember correctly pushing an elderly person in a wheel chair off a cliff. Wake up and see for yourself - get involved … So - is adoption and health care mentioned at rallies - YES

From VP Pence’s speech http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...h-at-march-for-life-vp-mike-pence-pledges-pro

As you can see and hear - it was … and by many of the other speakers in Washington and many many other cities across the Country - it was mentioned - but did you listen and become involved or ignore and demonize them

 

[jeannetherese]

Can you please remind me which March For Life speakers spoke about affordable and accessible delivery or maternity leave or even adoption? Now that gays are permitted to adopt, nobody wants to talk about abortion anymore.

How is it untruthful to say “pro-life” really needs to start meaning more than abortion when that’s the only thing people think about when they hear the phrase? It’s quickly becoming cliche. Particularly when our supposed “pro-life” defender who bragged about groping women and lusting after underage girls? If you want to cry foul, look at who you wanted to represent the babies, not the people who want to represent babies AND mothers.

How is it off-base to accurately say “pro-life” really does only mean anti-abortion when the concerns of those unborn babies’ mommies are never really addressed?

Will the 2018 March For Life be anything other than an another anti-abortion picket?

Let’s not bash the March for Life for its consistency. It’s website describes its history:
The “March for Life in Washington, D.C., began as a small demonstration and rapidly grew to be the largest pro-life event in the world. The peaceful demonstration that has followed on this somber anniversary every year since 1973 is a witness to the truth concerning the greatest human rights violation of our time, legalized abortion on demand.”

Complaining that it doesn’t do something else seems a bit disingenuous.

Following, it also seems a bit off to argue that, post gay adoption, no one is speaking against abortion on a thread in which most posters are speaking against abortion.

The fact that many people lack education concerning the myriad of activities promoting life from conception to natural death speaks to a need to better educate- a tremendous challenge in a time in which many in the mainstream media are producing stories which favor abortion and avoid providing airtime which favorably reflects the efforts on behalf of life in its continuum of stages by the pro-life community. (I spend a great deal of time listening to NPR and ABC in my drawn out commuting life-the dearth of positive coverage is stark).

As someone who works on mommies and babies issues and who is networked into other groups who also work on these issues, I see pro-life groups fighting on multiple fronts to support families. Reflecting subsidiarity, there are numerous grass roots endeavors designed to provide counseling and material support through and beyond pregnancy. At a macro scale, lobbying efforts continue.

Let us hope that the 2018 March for Life will continue to bring those opposed to the civil rights travesty (and tragedy) of abortion together, where they may further network, further educate, and provide a visible sign in opposition to the taking of human life.
We know that, over time, increasing numbers of women and men are coming to understand the evil of abortion and that increasingly, larger numbers are registering opposition to abortion at different stages of fetal development, as evidenced in nationwide polls.
May God bless all who visited this thread and the parents who chose not to abort them.
Amen.

 

[YADA]

And again - presented with the truth - adoption and assistance beyond birth are discussed at pro-Life rallies and member of the pro-Life movement do actually not only care for babies and their families before birth but after they are born … including video from this years March in DC - Randomuser is gone …

Once again presented with the difference between the cost of abortion [which is not really medical care] and the cost to provide true medical services offered to women and their babies for the better part of a year - real medical care in real clinics and hospitals - such that cost comparisons between the two are not relevant - Randomuser is gone …

 

[dvdjs]

So left leaning biased, that I would call it that yes.

Thanks for the candid calibration.

 

[lynnvinc]

Nobody forces a woman to self abort-she chooses to kill her child herself.
It is a mistake to ignore free will which is capable of both choosing life and also of choosing to change structures which devalue some lives.

So I choose life – which is why I vote mainly for Democrats, since they are not CC denialists, and want to do things that will help save lives, including lives of the unborn.

In all honesty, I give it a lot of thought, and in the end my conscience will not allow me to vote for the Republican because of life issues.

It’s too bad that Republicans (and Democrats) cannot become more thoroughly pro-life (my unique definition, which includes all human lives). I sort of feel like a general sending troops into battle, knowing some will die…I just choose the candidate whom I think will cause less deaths or save more lives. And I don’t consider the born people and the fetuses dying from environmental harms to be less valuable than the fetuses slated for elective abortions. I just can’t do that, no matter what people say.

As for the woman who chooses abortion (whether abortion is legal or illegal), she will likely go to Hell, unless she repents. So even if we don’t put her in prison, she’ll get her due justice.

 

[Michael68]

So I choose life – which is why I vote mainly for Democrats, since they are not CC denialists, and want to do things that will help save lives, including lives of the unborn.

In all honesty, I give it a lot of thought, and in the end my conscience will not allow me to vote for the Republican because of life issues.

It’s too bad that Republicans (and Democrats) cannot become more thoroughly pro-life (my unique definition, which includes all human lives). I sort of feel like a general sending troops into battle, knowing some will die…I just choose the candidate whom I think will cause less deaths or save more lives. And I don’t consider the born people and the fetuses dying from environmental harms to be less valuable than the fetuses slated for elective abortions. I just can’t do that, no matter what people say.

As for the woman who chooses abortion (whether abortion is legal or illegal), she will likely go to Hell, unless she repents. So even if we don’t put her in prison, she’ll get her due justice.

Democrats want to save the lives of the unborn? I believe you’re thinking of another party

 

[Ion]

So I choose life – which is why I vote mainly for Democrats, since they are not CC denialists, and want to do things that will help save lives, including lives of the unborn.

In all honesty, I give it a lot of thought, and in the end my conscience will not allow me to vote for the Republican because of life issues.

It’s too bad that Republicans (and Democrats) cannot become more thoroughly pro-life (my unique definition, which includes all human lives). I sort of feel like a general sending troops into battle, knowing some will die…I just choose the candidate whom I think will cause less deaths or save more lives. And I don’t consider the born people and the fetuses dying from environmental harms to be less valuable than the fetuses slated for elective abortions. I just can’t do that, no matter what people say.

As for the woman who chooses abortion (whether abortion is legal or illegal), she will likely go to Hell, unless she repents. So even if we don’t put her in prison, she’ll get her due justice.

I have a filling that you watch only CNN…

 

[dmelosi]

So I choose life – which is why I vote mainly for Democrats, since they are not CC denialists, and want to do things that will help save lives, including lives of the unborn.

In all honesty, I give it a lot of thought, and in the end my conscience will not allow me to vote for the Republican because of life issues.

It’s too bad that Republicans (and Democrats) cannot become more thoroughly pro-life (my unique definition, which includes all human lives). I sort of feel like a general sending troops into battle, knowing some will die…I just choose the candidate whom I think will cause less deaths or save more lives. And I don’t consider the born people and the fetuses dying from environmental harms to be less valuable than the fetuses slated for elective abortions. I just can’t do that, no matter what people say.

As for the woman who chooses abortion (whether abortion is legal or illegal), she will likely go to Hell, unless she repents. So even if we don’t put her in prison, she’ll get her due justice.

You say they will go to hell like you know they will.

The church does not teach that.

It is very telling that you use fetus instead of unborn human being.