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Jesus called himself The Good Shepherd. Work it out!
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Tomster
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And so He is. What’s to work out?
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Mickey
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Well now. This could be another thread. Here is another difference that Holy Orthodoxy has with the RCC. Are you saying that original sin is transmitted like a virus? Are you saying that the Virgin Mary was not born with original sin?
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Only if The Anglican Church in England goes like ECUSA I think.Could you be next?
I did think about it though.
Also coredemptrix, Queen of Heaven and Peter being the first Pope.
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Oops the discusions turned into a cock fight.
The English Monarchy is still there. She has bnot been topled and niether wil she be.
As for Islam. Church atendance is going up and Mosque atendance is static.
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The belief in Purgatory is an excellent example of what is meant by the Tradition of the Church. When it is challanged, when we are asked to cease praying for the dead, it is sufficient to answer, “But we have been praying for them since the time of the Apostles.” The mere fact of praying for them implies the belief that these souls are not yet in heaven, nor hopelessly lost in hell; that they will reach heaven in the end; that our prayers help them. And this, duly weighed, is seen to imply further that the bond which holds together God’s spiritual family or communion is not mere justice, but LOVE.
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If Christ is The Good Shepherd, The Pope isn’t.
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How convenient for Jewish men to push the idea that God subcontracted out their salvation through their husbands. Do you imagine that those who died as children or left widowed were left on their own?
And I bet you think that the Jews being delivered out of slavery to the Egyptians to delivery to the promised land had nothing to do with a prefiguring message of Jesus rescuing humankind from the bondage of sin and delivery to the promised land of God in heaven and that the manna that fell from they sky in the dessert was not prefiguring Eucharist. And that Melchizedek blessing Abraham was not prefiguring Jesus as High Priest nor in establishing the same priestly orders that only Catholic Priests follow in performing the conversion of bread and wine to Eucharist in the sacrifice of the Mass.
You Anglicans don’t believe in the sacrifice of the mass - only a memorial service. You ignore all the prefiguring of sacrifice in the Old Testament (Abel, The atonement sacrifices, the pascal sacrifice, the temple sacrifices, Abraham’s call to sacrifice his son Isaac). You drink grape juice and eat crackers as a memorial to Christ and have divorced yourselves from the apostolic succession and hence without valid priestly orders have absolutely no authority to petition The Holy Spirit to convert the sacrifice to Eucharist.
Please try to get some theological depth and get out of the narrow fundamentalism that prevents you from seeing the truth.
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It’s like a pagan saying now I’m a Christian I don’t have to stop sleeping with lots of differant women because I always have.
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The Church says Mary was born without original sin. I believe that to be true.
The question of the transmission of original sin from generation to generation presents no great difficulty once its nature has been settled, but it is interesting from the point of view of historical theology. It is a good example of the way in which, with the progress of time and the incidence of conflict and discussion, the meaning of of some revealed doctrine grows clearer, though in substance and reality it has been firmly believed from the beginning. From the very first the Church taught that all the children of Adam are born in a state of enmity with God and need to be reborn and cleansed in the Sacrament of Baptism.
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It seemed to work for Henry VIII when he appointed himself head of the Anglican Church so he could sleep with any woman he wanted. But I guess bowing to earthly kings and repressing any opposed to tyranny has always been the tradition of bloo, er, jolly ol’ England yes?
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Why, then, did Jesus give St. Peter the keys to the Kingdom of heaven and the power to bind and loose and promise him the gates of hell would not prevail against the Chruch?
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You’ve obviously lost the argument and are resorting to abuse.
The Lord keep you and bless you
The Lord cause the light of his countenance to shine upon you
And give you peace.
The blessing of God almighty, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit be with you.
Amen
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The keys are for everyone. We’ve been over this already.
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Mickey
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RC tradition from the 13th century onward.
Wrong. You are to make no judgement about whether anyone ends up in heaven or hell (purgatory is an innovation). You pray like the publican and ask for God to have mercy. God is the only one who knows the fate of souls.
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Would you care to expand on that for us, please?
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The why didn’t Jesus say they were for everybody? He told St. Peter and the Apostles that they had the power to bind and loose.
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You mean in the same manner that it becomes obvious to even a child that Anglicans lost their authority to ordain priests and convert Eucharist at mass when they were excommunicated from The Church? The abuse is to common sense.
But I am happy to see here that I was at least able to win an indulgence from you and compel your prayers as reparation for damages occasioned by your offenses to common sense. I accept them and forgive you brother. It’s only a small step in the right direction to converting you to accept the truth and merits of indulgences and other proper teachings of The Catholic Church - but I will take that as a victory for Christ and His Holy Catholic Church.
James
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