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But at least some anglicans are trying to worship God where all other protestants have done away with worship entirely in favor of a prayer meeting.
You are absolutely wrong.
Yes he is, sorry :rolleyes:
Martin Luther is not our authority and I think we are the ones to make that call and not you.

How about we told you that you worshiped Mary. Would you enjoy that?

I know you don’t worship Mary and I know Martin luther is not our authority.

My point is, that many non-Catholic “Christians” don’t really know what they believe. They are eager to write about the Roman Catholic Church and what the Catholic Church should or should not practiced, when instead they should look at themselves and other “Protestant” religions first. If you are not a Catholic, what does it matter what Catholics believe?
I don’t meet many Protestsnats who do that. We’ve got better things to talk about.
For any “Protestant” to say; "we don’t believe the Catholic Church is doing it right, when it comes to this or that”, when there exist many more difference among "Protestant” religions, is simply ridicules.

Do “Protestants” ever ask their minister, “where did that belief come from?”, or “why is it that there are 36,000 other “Protestant “religions, who all have different doctrines, beliefs and rule-sets?”; “Why are they not all exactly alike?”
Yes we do ask our ministers such questions. Of course as most of us don’t believe in Papal Infallabillity, we know the minister may be wrong.

Also if you think Roman Catholics in Brazil are the same as Roman Catholics in Italy, you are mistaken.

“Protestants” should be more concerned with their own differences than any difference they might have with the Roman Catholic Church.
We couldn’t ccare less about what you do. The war is over. Come to the 21st century please!
'If you are a Baptist for example, why aren’t you a “Born again”, a Lutheran, or a Fundamentalist Christian? They cannot all be right!

“Protestants” want to “fix” the Catholic Church and in reality, they should be fixing their own “Church”.

What is with this obsession with the Roman Catholic Church? I think it is somewhat bizarre.
What’s this obsession with Martin Luther?

What’s this obsession with protestant bashing?

What’s this strange idea, Protestants are obsessed with Roman Catholicism?

We’ve moved on and most Roman Catholics have moved on with us. If you want to stay in the 14th or 15th century then that’s up to you.
I think you might want to take care of your ('Protestant") own “Church” first before you worry about ours.

You can start with Gay marriages performed by some “Christian” ministers or figure out how “Jones Town” happened”. There exist enough to keep you people busy for at least a hundred years or so, before you have to worry about Catholicism

What is up with this obsession with Catholicism and with all this anti-Catholicism?

I wouldn’t tell a football team, which had just lost a game; what was wrong with the other team’s plays or argue with the other coach. Additionally, and I wouldn’t talk about a team plays if we were not going to play that team…👍
You are obsessed wirth us.

Grow up and come into the 21st century for the sake of the glory of Christ.

I used to be a Catholic basher but God lead me out of it and I pray he leads you out of this Protestant bashing.
 
You are absolutely wrong.

Martin Luther is not our authority and I think we are the ones to make that call and not you.

How about we told you that you worshiped Mary. Would you enjoy that?

I know you don’t worship Mary and I know Martin luther is not our authority.

I don’t meet many Protestsnats who do that. We’ve got better things to talk about.

Yes we do ask our ministers such questions. Of course as most of us don’t believe in Papal Infallabillity, we know the minister may be wrong.

Also if you think Roman Catholics in Brazil are the same as Roman Catholics in Italy, you are mistaken.

We couldn’t ccare less about what you do. The war is over. Come to the 21st century please!

What’s this obsession with Martin Luther?

What’s this obsession with protestant bashing?

What’s this strange idea, Protestants are obsessed with Roman Catholicism?

We’ve moved on and most Roman Catholics have moved on with us. If you want to stay in the 14th or 15th century then that’s up to you.

You are obsessed wirth us.

Grow up and come into the 21st century for the sake of the glory of Christ.

I used to be a Catholic basher but God lead me out of it and I pray he leads you out of this Protestant bashing.
Perhaps you need to come into the 21st century…We’ve been around for 2,000 years. You’ve been here around eh…500?
 
We’ve moved on and most Roman Catholics have moved on with us. If you want to stay in the 14th or 15th century then that’s up to you.
“Moved On”??? Out of Christianity and into … WHAT? I am very happy being a Christian. I am overwhelmingly happy and filled with joy to be able to worship God with peace of mind knowing that the faith I have is the same faith taught to the holy apostles by Jesus himself. I know that my actions are helping to make a better world and that this is the will of my Lord. I know that I can pray to God, I can worship God and I know the difference. I read scripture in Latin, Greek and Aramaic and really don’t see the need to switch to English no matter how many KJV people try to give me a bible. I have a full and complete collection of Scripture with an old testament that Jesus himself used. I certainly acknowledge that some other traditions may used different languages then me, like say the Coptics and the Slavs with their ancient and venerable traditions but I don’t see the same with English KJV which has saught to break with Christianity and destroy all that the Church ever taught. Remember, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians he hold them to hold fast to the Word of God that was preached to them. He didn’t tell them to look it up in the Bible, he told them to remember the traditions that were taught to them and equated them with the Word of God.

I don’t want to “MOVE ON” because that is not what God wants of me and that is exactly what satan wants. He wants us to reject the Church so that every manner of lie and heresy can come in and destroy the faith so that the so called christians have no life in them.

We are called to make the world a better place. {This is a direct command from Jesus. When I was naked you clothed me, when I was hungry you feed me, when I was in prison you visited me. }

The Catholic Church is the only church that is giving the faithfull, Christifides, the means to actually make the world a better place, both personally and in community. The Catholic church is the only church that offers to the faithful a way, established by Christ, to make amends for the sins that are forgiven. We are forgiven directly by Christ, then when we place ourselves into his service, we reduce the amount of punishment the world will recieve. Only the Catholic church offers this. If protestants knew the great blessing that this is they would not be attacking indulgences, they would be running to help build up the church and the people of God to remitt the great punishments that God has in store for mankind. All of these modern day problems are due to man not giving God his proper place as King and Master of all. Man has forgotten about God and no longer seek to be blessed by God. They think that a simple, silent “sorry” will completely make up for their lifetime of habitual sins. This is the direct trajedy of the protestant errors. People go about all day, sin after sin, and saying “sorry” only in their minds but not really meaning it and then commit the same sins all over again with no correction. It is up to God to forgive them or not but the real heartbreak is the fact that they are bringing down more and more suffering from God. The whole of the world is suffering under the burden of sins, and why would we test God to see how much he will forgive. Why do we test him to see the limits of his mercy? We should listen to Jesus when he says “STOP SINNING” and we should ignore Luther when he said “you have to sin”. God is willing to forgive and remit all sins and punishment for them if we would all just convert our hearts and turn to him. Especially now, with the annaversary of the Resurrection approching. Let us all do penance so that we can win favor in the sight of God. Let us put ourselves into his mercy and do as he commands of us. Let us show him our faith in action and not as a dead thing that lives not.

Indulgences can be gained by:
Calling out to God in earnest prayer.
Raising our mind to Him, even as we perform our everday actions
Doing as Jesus commanded and helping the needy
Denying ourselves and our wants in the spirit of penence
Reading the scriptures (nice size bits not just one verse at a time)
Using the words of scripture for our own prayers when our own words fail us. (Magnificat, Pater Noster, De Profundis)

When we seek to make ourselves pure in the sight of God, though we can not complete this work, God will bless us and cleans us and make us pure. We must put in the work and not be lazy spiritually. We must help to make a world that is ready to recieve Jesus when he comes down to rule his kingdom directly.

If you are a protestant you need to take a good look at indulgences, look at the history of the Ecclesia, Get a REAL Bible and pray constantly. Protestant theology is morally bankrupt and brings shame and scandal to all christians. Don’t take this as an attack, this is the sad truth. No Christian should dare think that it is ok to Move ON to another religion like Islam or some pagan ritual off in the woods or at uncle bob’s behind the barn “christian” congregation. We should move in to the Christian faith and never think to MOVE ON. We should MOVE IN and get settled. We should count ourselves gratefull to be considered worthy to be a Christian.

Protestants mock what they don’t understand but then when it is offered to them they reject it without ever seeing it for what it is. I offer to anyone here to look at the Enchiridion of Indulgences. There is no reason why after looking at the truth any protestant would not want to come to the ONE TRUE FAITH, which is the Lord Jesus, Son of God the Father, Concieved of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. The Catholic Church has her doors open, but will you step in and be recieved as one of the people of God?
 
Hi,All
Just scanned through these threads thought it might be of some help, with my observations through some study of beliefs of other denoms.

The fruits of bible alone:
  1. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
  2. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
  3. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
  4. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
  5. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, ‘once saved always saved’, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
  6. How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
  7. How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD?
  8. Shouldn’t we be asking ourselves these most important questions to find the one truth that is Jesus ?
Comment: We can all argue about what we believe but what we believe may have absolutely nothing to do with the truth of Jesus. I think this falls under the topic did you know ?

Peace, OneNow1
 
This is the direct trajedy of the protestant errors. People go about all day, sin after sin, and saying “sorry” only in their minds but not really meaning it and then commit the same sins all over again with no correction.
Do you know that these people are truly not repentant? Do you know that they make no corrections in their lives? Are you a heart reader?
If you are a protestant you need to take a good look at indulgences, look at the history of the Ecclesia
I believe you will not find much information about indulgences when you take a good look at early Church history.
Protestant theology is morally bankrupt and brings shame and scandal to all christians.
Careful with that log kiddo!
 
Do you know that these people are truly not repentant? Do you know that they make no corrections in their lives? Are you a heart reader?
I believe you will not find much information about indulgences when you take a good look at early Church history.
Careful with that log kiddo!
Why should claudius be careful with what he says as truth?
 
Bashing our Christian brethren is not a good witness.
I can’t see where he bashed anyone…he tells the truth about other denominations…ok, I’ll bow out and mind my business. peace.:o
 
Here I stand!

So help me God!

1, How could God say through Saint Paul, The Just shall live by faith and then years later say through a bishop of Rome that the just shall live by penance and indulgency?

2, How could Jesus tell the theif next to him he would be with him in paradise that day if the doctrine of Purgatory is true? Did Jesus pay a special indulgence for the thief?

3, How could Paul say that there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus and then through bishops of Rome say you can pray through saints as well?

4, If the gospel writers called it bread it must have been bread and if Jesus called it his body it must have been his body, therefore the literal bread must be his literal body but still be bread. Where is the doctrine of trasubstatiation in The Bible?

5, If Jesus said “Nobody can come to The Father except through me” Why do Roman Catholics claim people come to The Father through The Roman Catholic Church?

7, If the Roman Catholic Church stays where it is and never changes, why is there no referances to Purgatory, the imacullate conception, Mary being the co-redemptrix, indulgencies etc. etc. in Church History prior to 1070?
 
7, If the Roman Catholic Church stays where it is and never changes, why is there no references to Purgatory, the immaculate conception, Mary being the co-redemptrix, indulgencies etc. etc. in Church History prior to 1070?
Aha! Now you are trespassing on Orthodox territory! 😃

PS.–It is beneficial to ask saints to pray for you–just as you would ask your family and friends to pray for you. 👍
 
7, If the Roman Catholic Church stays where it is and never changes, why is there no referances to Purgatory, the imacullate conception, Mary being the co-redemptrix, indulgencies etc. etc. in Church History prior to 1070?

The reason why there were no written references to these beliefs in early Church history was because no one was challenging them at that time. Only when there was a challenge to a particular belief did the Church feel compelled to define it in more dogmatic terms.

For example, the Trinity was not dogmatically defined by the Church until the fourth century, yet it always was an article of faith in the early Church. Why was it defined at that particular time in history? Because it was being challenged by Arius, etc and the Church felt compelled to set the record straight.

Just because there was no historical reference to a specific practice does not necessarily imply it never existed in the early church.
 
Just because there was no historical reference to a specific practice does not necessarily imply it never existed in the early church.
You would be very hard pressed to find historical references that imply today’s Roman Catholic definitions of Papal infallibility/supremacy, Immaculate conception, purgatory/indulgences, transubstantiation, addition of filioque, etc.
 
Aha! Now you are trespassing on Orthodox territory! 😃
Aha but the Orthodox territory I am in here is good territory.

I’ll explain later in this post.
7, If the Roman Catholic Church stays where it is and never changes, why is there no referances to Purgatory, the imacullate conception, Mary being the co-redemptrix, indulgencies etc. etc. in Church History prior to 1070?

The reason why there were no written references to these beliefs in early Church history was because no one was challenging them at that time. Only when there was a challenge to a particular belief did the Church feel compelled to define it in more dogmatic terms.
Actually what happened was, soon after the 1070 split, somebody decided to make a few things up, like Purgatory, Imaculate Conception, Mary being the co-redemptrix, indulgencies, the acension of Mary, Peter being the first Pope, Papal Infallability and many more doctrines unheard of previously.
For example, the Trinity was not dogmatically defined by the Church until the fourth century, yet it always was an article of faith in the early Church. Why was it defined at that particular time in history? Because it was being challenged by Arius, etc and the Church felt compelled to set the record straight.
Matthew 28:19 was written before the fourth century.
Just because there was no historical reference to a specific practice does not necessarily imply it never existed in the early church.
No, but as these things are not tenets of Orthodoxy also, it’s a good indication that they didn’t exist before somebody made them up.
 
Here I stand!

So help me God!

1, How could God say through Saint Paul, The Just shall live by faith and then years later say through a bishop of Rome that the just shall live by penance and indulgency?

2, How could Jesus tell the theif next to him he would be with him in paradise that day if the doctrine of Purgatory is true? Did Jesus pay a special indulgence for the thief?

3, How could Paul say that there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus and then through bishops of Rome say you can pray through saints as well?

4, If the gospel writers called it bread it must have been bread and if Jesus called it his body it must have been his body, therefore the literal bread must be his literal body but still be bread. Where is the doctrine of trasubstatiation in The Bible?

5, If Jesus said “Nobody can come to The Father except through me” Why do Roman Catholics claim people come to The Father through The Roman Catholic Church?

7, If the Roman Catholic Church stays where it is and never changes, why is there no referances to Purgatory, the imacullate conception, Mary being the co-redemptrix, indulgencies etc. etc. in Church History prior to 1070?
What a cluster bomb! In reference to question #2: The passage you are referring to goes something like, “Truly, truly I say to you today you will be with me in Paradise.”, correct? When Scripture was written, there was no punctuation and everything ran together. That same sentence would look like this: “TRULYTRULYISAYTOYOUTODAYYOUWILLBEWITHME(name removed by moderator)ARADISE.”
Is is possible then, Jesus said it *this *way?: “Truly, truly I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” See the difference? “Truly, truly I say to you today…” vs. “Truly, truly I say to you…”
The former leaves room for Purgatory. Even if the latter is true, God could do anything He wants and could have let the thief skip purgatory, right? If He did let the thief skip purgatory, that doesn’t mean purgatory doesn’t exist.
 
1, How could God say through Saint Paul, The Just shall live by faith and then years later say through a bishop of Rome that the just shall live by penance and indulgency?

Remember, even the demons had faith in that Jesus was divine (yet that didn’t stop them from continuing to do evil).

Also, doesn’t Matthew 25:31-46 seemingly contradict what “God said to St. Paul?”

My point here is that the above verse is oversimplifying the Catholic position. There are many things in the Bible that seem to contradict one another.

This is why one must be careful when studying the God’s Word and not allow initially what seems to be a contradiction, shape a belief about a particular concept. You must look at God’s Word in context, or to say it another way, using the ciritical lens of Apostolic Tradition. What else do we have?
 
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