non-Catholic Christians - "Did You Know"?

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Christ is the foundation and cornerstone. St Peter had just confessed Jesus as the Messiah. You and I are also like St Peter if we confess Jesus Christ to be the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Yes. St Peter was a leader. But he was not above the other Apostles (see Matt 18:18). And he was not some supreme infallible entity. 🤷

Slava Isusu Christu!
Amen.

Paul disagreed with peter openly, where was papal Infalabilty then?
 
Exactly. Many will say “Lord, Lord didn’t we do this in your name and that in your name.”

That’s right.

A lot of Protestants are converting to Orthodoxy ( I know a lot who have myself)

Why are they converting to Orthodoxy and not Roman Catholicism?

Icons?

Apeared early on in Church history. Plus an Icon is not necessarilly a graven image.

Relics?

Elisha’s bones, Pauls handkercheifs and appearances of them early on in Church history. (I admit we Protestants might be wrong on this.)

Praying to saints?

No problem. (Though I do have one with it.)

Why not Roman Catholicism?

Purgatory?

That’s the one!

No referance in Scripture or Church history until the middle ages.

There’s a few weird marialogical doctrines of Rome that are more troublesome than any Orthodox Marialogical doctrine too.
Actually, there are references to Purgatory in Scripture.

2 Machabees 12:40-46
Matthew 16:27
Luke 12:47-48
Luke 7:47
Matthew 12:36
Matthew 12:32
John 11:9
John 12:35
John 9:4
Luke 12:20
Luke 16:22
Matthew 8:12
1 Peter 3:19-20; 4:6
1 Corinthians 15:29
John 5:25,28
Matthew 15:13
1 Corinthians 3:12-13
1 Corinthians 3:14; 4:5
 
Actually, Pope Gregory the Great (590 - 604) wrote about Purgatory in the fourth book of his Dialogues.

Two hundred years before St. Gregory, St. Augustine did the same.

Two hundred years before before St. Augustine, Tertullian did the same.
None of these three I’ve found have mentioned the specific Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory.

Furthermore,

Tertullian called statues and pictures idols and bowing to them idolatery.

Augustine came out with that horendous predestination thing.

Follow these two and you’ll become a good Calvinist.
 
The One True Church originally did not believe in Purgatory or indulgencies and The One True Church would never conduct masses for the Nazi Party. The whole idea of Peter, paul and the apostles going arond Judea in Roman costume is bizarre. (OK we do that too.)
Nonsense see the earlier list of dozens of scripture and early church father quotes that I posted that soundly contradict this lie.

And I suppose Jesus would never invite a militant zealot named Judas to break bread with him and be an apostle either?

You Anglicans have a funny way of thinking. And its shameful you lost your apostolic succession when the properly ordained Catholic priests who were usurped by Henry VIII from Papal Rome lost all spiritual authority to convert bread/wine into the Body & Blood of Christ when they died off and Edwardian protestant hacks revised the priestly orders and were excommunicated. What you do is a benediction - not a mass with real sacraments.

James
 
Actually, there are references to Purgatory in Scripture.

2 Machabees 12:40-46
Matthew 16:27
Luke 12:47-48
Luke 7:47
Matthew 12:36
Matthew 12:32
John 11:9
John 12:35
John 9:4
Luke 12:20
Luke 16:22
Matthew 8:12
1 Peter 3:19-20; 4:6
1 Corinthians 15:29
John 5:25,28
Matthew 15:13
1 Corinthians 3:12-13
1 Corinthians 3:14; 4:5
I’ve put those scriptures into context once on this thread and I’'m not doing it again.
 
Amen.

Paul disagreed with peter openly, where was papal Infalabilty then?
You will find your answer here:

John 22:15-17
John 10:11
John 16; cf. 11:52 ff
John 20:17, cf. 14:1 ff, 16:28, 17:4 ff, 8:21 ff
1 Peter 5:4; cf. 2:25
Matthew 18:18; 9:36-38
Matthew 28:18-20; cf. 13:38 ff, 13:47 ff

Accordingly, unless the gates of hell were to prevail, there could never come a time when Christ’s sheepfold would be deprived of its shepherd.
 
None of these three I’ve found have mentioned the specific Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory.

Furthermore,

Tertullian called statues and pictures idols and bowing to them idolatery.

Augustine came out with that horendous predestination thing.

Follow these two and you’ll become a good Calvinist.
You need to read a little more.
 
Could you be next? 😃
Other innovations include imaculate conception amd papal infallibilty/supremacy.
Are you saying that Christ’s mother was sinful and that Christ contracted original sin?
 
Actually, Pope Gregory the Great (590 - 604) wrote about Purgatory in the fourth book of his Dialogues.

Two hundred years before St. Gregory, St. Augustine did the same.

Two hundred years before before St. Augustine, Tertullian did the same.
Well first off, we must always look at context. These early Christians certainly did not have the same conception of the 13th century innovation.
 
Prophecy continues to unfold in our time and…in due time God will reveal the truth to all. That may come in the form of a Warning, a Miracle or something else. But, have you no doubt - it will come.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
Agree mangy. Many of us Catholics think that a conditional minor chastisement (but its hardly “minor” at all) is soon to befall us. Many of us are praying the Divine Mercy chaplet and rosary daily to see if we can appeal to God and avoid it. But the world is squandering this period of mercy. I think it is coming within the life of Benedict - he is the last pope mentioned in St. Malachy’s prophesies. It will be impossible for anyone to have any doubt about the one true religion soon and life as we know it will change forever and for billions. Catholics should be prepared and non-Catholics need to open their hearts to conversion before its too late. We get one major sign shortly before the lights go out permanently for 75% of the earth’s population.

James
 
Do you really believe that superstitious mumbo-jumbo?
No doubt had you lived in Noah’s time you would have knocked on wood to knock yourself senseless when he warned about the flood.

James
 
Huh? :ehh:
What part about original sin, its transmission to the human race and the Incarnation don’t you understand?

The enmity between Mary and the tempter is no new story. Already when Gabriel hailed her she was gratia plena, full of grace. Divine grace was hers without stint and came to her with life itself. Thus she was fittingly prepared for the virginal childbearing through which was crushed the serpent’s head. (1 Timothy 2:15) The Virgin Mother of God is the Immaculate Mother of the Savior of the world.
 
Nonsense see the earlier list of dozens of scripture and early church father quotes that I posted that soundly contradict this lie.

And I suppose Jesus would never invite a militant zealot named Judas to break bread with him and be an apostle either?

You Anglicans have a funny way of thinking. And its shameful you lost your apostolic succession when the properly ordained Catholic priests who were usurped by Henry VIII from Papal Rome lost all spiritual authority to convert bread/wine into the Body & Blood of Christ when they died off and Edwardian protestant hacks revised the priestly orders and were excommunicated. What you do is a benediction - not a mass with real sacraments.

James
Henry VIII just made the inevitable happen sooner. We had had enough 100 years previously when Wycliffe was doing his good work.

It’s a shame all the work of the Edwardian hacks got undone by Roman Catholic, Bloody Mary. She and her Papist husband never managed to get them all though. It’s a shame the bishop of Rome excomunicated Queen Elizabeth and said that either our allegiance is with her or him. Lot’s of Roman Catholics wouldn’t have been killed if it wasn’t for The Popes statement. That’s how much he loved his so called flock!

As no one has the spiritual authority to convert bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ, who cares?

The Holy Spirit makes the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ not men.

We’ve got over it it’s a shame you RC fundmentalists haven’t.

How wonderful it was Sir Francis Drake destroying The Spanish Armada.
 
Henry VIII just made the inevitable happen sooner. We had had enough 100 years previously when Wycliffe was doing his good work.

It’s a shame all the work of the Edwardian hacks got undone by Roman Catholic, Bloody Mary. She and her Papist husband never managed to get them all though. It’s a shame the bishop of Rome excomunicated Queen Elizabeth and said that either our allegiance is with her or him. Lot’s of Roman Catholics wouldn’t have been killed if it wasn’t for The Popes statement. That’s how much he loved his so called flock!

As no one has the spiritual authority to convert bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ, who cares?

The Holy Spirit makes the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ not men.

We’ve got over it it’s a shame you RC fundmentalists haven’t.

How wonderful it was Sir Francis Drake destroying The Spanish Armada.
Actually, it’s the words of consecration prayed by the priest at the altar, in persona Christi, that effect the change of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. It’s called the double consecration and it is a fact.
 
How odd that the Jewish women who birthed the “men” were left conspicuously ambiguous in their salvation by the inability to participate in the old Jewish covenant through adherence to circumcision. It seems that a fundamentalist view of scripture has been a thing that has seperated so many from God for so long as humankind has been seperated from rationality…

Prayer is the only hope to reunite man both to God and reason…

James
A Jewish Woman had a covenant with her husband who had a covenant wiith God.

Baptism = Circumcission

Eucharist = Passover.

The early Church had the Jewish blueprint. No one started making things up until Rome split from the east.
 
How wonderful it was Sir Francis Drake destroying The Spanish Armada.
How shameful it is that God destroyed the English monarchy and that Islam now is rising to become the religion of England.

Do you imagine that England is starting to feel a little isolated and like a little island of insignificance in the grand scheme of things yet?

James
 
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