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[East_Anglican]

There’s a little “icon” that is used here on CAF. It is of one those round thingys banging its head on a brick wall. In this context - think of the brick wall as the church built by Christ on the first Pope Peter the Apostle.
Same church, many popes later to “de Gloriae Olivae” better known as Pope Benedict XVI.

The little man banging his head on the wall???..well, you - and others like you who will eventually return (hopefully) to the one, true church that Christ intended to exist after His ascension into heaven.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

Scrap purgatory and I will consider.

 

[Tomster]

Would it matter if they did or did not?

The logic behind the imaculate conception is that it had to be for Jesus to be without sin.

Follow this logic and then Saint Ann had to have been born of imaculate conception too. Then her mother would had to have been born of imaculate conception, then her mother, then her mother all the way back to someone being born of Eve before the fall.

This is fanciful nonsense.

God the Son owed it to His dignity to preserve from sin the conception of His Mother, for it would be a great dishonor to the Word Incarnate to be born of a woman that was once under the sway of the demon. When He chose His Mother from all the daughters of Eve He chose one that was in all things worthy of Him. When we consider His infinite purity and infinite greatness, any stain in her, even the smallest, is unthinkable.

His filial piety, His devotion as Son towards her suggests to us that He should shield her from original sin. He who said “Honor your father and mother” could not do otherwise. What son is there who if he possessed the power to elect and fashion and prepare his own mother would not adorn her with all gifts, enrich her with every quality and bestow upon her every perfection possible?

Indeed the power of redemption reaches its height in the Immacualte Conception: there the triumph of the Savior over the evil one is complete. The Immaculate Conception marks the very zenith of redemptive grace; it is the highest point to which the redeeming love of the Savior ever attained.

 

[mangy_dog]

The keys are for everyone. We’ve been over this already.

Ohh!! so then Jesus said, “y’all are Peter, y’all are rock and over this rock I will build my church.”

“To y’all I give the keys of heaven” “Those whose sins y’all forgive are forgiven. Those whose sins y’all retain are retained”

Y’all are fundamentalist only when its convenient huh?

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Tomster]

Scrap purgatory and I will consider.

That’s too bad. Purgatory is non-negotiable. But that’s o.k. As stated before Anglicanism does enjoin prayers for the deceased even though it may be in the back of your book.

Again, as I stated before, Anglican developement of doctrine is slowly but surely coming around to this point of view. We are patient.

 

[Tomster]

Ohh!! so then Jesus said, “y’all are Peter, y’all are rock and over this rock I will build my church.”

“To y’all I give the keys of heaven” “Those whose sins y’all forgive are forgiven. Those whose sins y’all retain are retained”

Y’all are fundamentalist only when its convenient huh?

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

Seriously though, where does Our Lord ever say that the laity have permission to retain sin? Nowhere ! We are to forgive 7 X 70. Our Lord did tell the Apostles, though, that they had the power to retain sin. Sounds like the sacrament of Penance to me.

 

[mangy_dog]

It doesn’t mater how many times you say “It will always be TRUE” it still won’t be because it never was true in the first place.

I’m going to chalk this one up to “famous last words”. God is always sending us Warnings and Miracles and often times I think that He does this to save us from a severe Chastisement. I pray that God will be merciful with you, that it doesn’t have to come to a Warning or a Miracle or a severe Chastisement to make you see the error of your ways.

Come home to the Catholic church - in full communion with the Roman Pontiff.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Tomster]

You seem such a bigot, I’m not goiung to answer that.

It seems to me that the reason you are not going to answer that question is because you do not have an answer. Correct me if I am wrong.

Resistance really is futile.

 

[mangy_dog]

This tune really gets old.:harp:

Ah yes… an oldie but a goodie.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Tomster]

Ah yes… an oldie but a goodie.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

Reminds me of what a D.J. way back in the '60’s called old hits. “And now, another golden gasser from the grooveyard. CKLW - The Motor City”

 

[nmercier1]

News flash! The Church never believed that. Rome defined the innovation in 1854.QUOTE]

Sigh, where to start Mickey, becaused you are confused on this matter…

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Odes of Solomon 19

So the Virgin became a mother with great mercies. And she labored and bore the Son, but without pain, because it did not occur without purpose. And she did not seek a midwife, because he caused her to give life. She bore as a strong man…

Justin Martyr Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 100
Jesus became man by the Virgin so that the course which was taken by disobedience in the beginning through the agency of the serpent might be also the very course by which it would be put down. Eve, a virgin and undefiled, conceived the word of the serpent and bore disobedience and death. But the Virgin Mary received faith and joy when the angel Gabriel announced to her the glad tidings that the Spirit of the Lord would come upon her and the power of the Most High would overshadow her, for which reason the Holy One being born of her is the Son of God

Irenaeus Against Heresies 3:22:24 -]

Consequently, then, Mary the Virgin is found to be obedient, saying, ?Behold, O Lord, your handmaid; be it done to me according to your word.? Eve, however, was disobedient, and, when yet a virgin, she did not obey. Just as she, who was then still a virgin although she had Adam for a husband?for in paradise they were both naked but were not ashamed; for, having been created only a short time, they had no understanding of the procreation of children, and it was necessary that they first come to maturity before beginning to multiply?having become disobedient, was made the cause of death for herself and for the whole human race; so also Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. . . . Thus, the knot of Eve?s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith.

Tertullian The Flesh of Christ 17:4 210 AD
Why is Christ called Adam by the apostle [Paul], if as man he was not of that earthly origin? But even reason defends this conclusion, that God recovered his image and likeness by a procedure similar to that in which he had been robbed of it by the devil. It was while Eve was still a virgin that the word of the devil crept in to erect an edifice of death. Likewise through a virgin the Word of God was introduced to set up a structure of life. Thus what had been laid waste in ruin by this sex was by the same sex reestablished in salvation. Eve had believed the serpent; Mary believed Gabriel. That which the one destroyed by believing the other, by believing, set straight.

Ambrose of Milan The Virgins 2:2:6 377 AD

Mary?s life should be for you a pictorial image of virginity. Her life is like a mirror reflecting the face of chastity and the form of virtue. Therein you may find a model for your own life . . . showing what to improve, what to imitate, what to hold fast to.

John the Theologian The Falling Asleep of Mary 400 AD

[T]he Lord said to his Mother, ?Let your heart rejoice and be glad, for every favor and every gift has been given to you from my Father in heaven and from me and from the Holy Spirit. Every soul that calls upon your name shall not be ashamed, but shall find mercy and comfort and support and confidence, both in the world that now is and in that which is to come, in the presence of my Father in the heavens?..
And from that time forth all knew that the spotless and precious body had been transferred to paradise.

Gregory of Tours Eight Books of Miracles 1:8 584 AD

But Mary, the glorious Mother of Christ, who is believed to be a virgin both before and after she bore him, has, as we said above, been translated into paradise, amid the singing of the angelic choirs, whither the Lord preceded her

I could go on and on with the sinlessness of Mary…sigh…

 

[Mickey]

Sigh, where to start Mickey, becaused you are confused on this matter.

I am not.

What is your point here. Thank you for posting all the wonderful quotes. The Holy Orthodox Church has a beautiful veneration of the Panagia.

Are you trying to justify the innovated doctrine of the Immaculate Conception?

Me thinks perhaps it is you who may be confused.

Sigh.

 

[mangy_dog]

I would plan for your retirement anyway, Mangy.

You might be wrong and up a creek.

Sorry, not my quote - wish it was, it’s a pretty good one.

hugs and kisses.

 

[1234]

Scrap purgatory and I will consider.

No chance, mangy.

 

[1234]

That’s too bad. Purgatory is non-negotiable. But that’s o.k. As stated before Anglicanism does enjoin prayers for the deceased even though it may be in the back of your book.

Again, as I stated before, Anglican developement* (sic)* of doctrine is slowly but surely coming around to this point of view. We are patient.

…er, there is currently a major schism brewing in the AC over the American Episcopal Church’s acceptance of a practicing homosexual bishop.

People in the AC drifting towards the RCC usually just learn how to swim.

 

[mangy_dog]

Scrap purgatory and I will consider.

C’mon Anglican! you know we can’t do that.

Tell ya’ what, c’mon home we’ll iron out the details little by little. 1Corinthians 3: 13-15 or 1 Peter 3: 18-20.

The grass is not greener on the outside. The solution is not without but within.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[mangy_dog]

No chance, mangy.

You’re just a walking library of famous last words aren’t you?

You remind me of Jonah: “No Lord I’m not going to Niniveh” “Yes Jonah you’re going to Niniveh” No Lord I’m not" “Yes Jonah you are”.

Where’d he end up??? In Niniveh!!!

Yes chance. You will come home, one way or via way of whale regurgitation - you are coming home.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[East_Anglican]

God the Son owed it to His dignity to preserve from sin the conception of His Mother, for it would be a great dishonor to the Word Incarnate to be born of a woman that was once under the sway of the demon. When He chose His Mother from all the daughters of Eve He chose one that was in all things worthy of Him. When we consider His infinite purity and infinite greatness, any stain in her, even the smallest, is unthinkable.

His filial piety, His devotion as Son towards her suggests to us that He should shield her from original sin. He who said “Honor your father and mother” could not do otherwise. What son is there who if he possessed the power to elect and fashion and prepare his own mother would not adorn her with all gifts, enrich her with every quality and bestow upon her every perfection possible?

Indeed the power of redemption reaches its height in the Immacualte Conception: there the triumph of the Savior over the evil one is complete. The Immaculate Conception marks the very zenith of redemptive grace; it is the highest point to which the redeeming love of the Savior ever attained.

What?!

Are you saying sex within marraige is a sin? :whacky:

 

[CentralFLJames]

The keys are for everyone. We’ve been over this already.

Kind of renders the concept of keys mute huh? Why lock any doors if anyone can just walk in any 'ol time? Do you think Jesus simply wasted his breath to speak phrases that had no meaning or applicability? Why would a benevolent God give something to a person if he did not need it? Do you think Jesus was simply doing a garage sale and giving away junk to make more room in heaven?

It’s simply amazing what can be heard coming out of the mouth of adult minds in these forums sometimes…

James

 

[East_Anglican]

Ohh!! so then Jesus said, “y’all are Peter, y’all are rock and over this rock I will build my church.”

“To y’all I give the keys of heaven” “Those whose sins y’all forgive are forgiven. Those whose sins y’all retain are retained”

Y’all are fundamentalist only when its convenient huh?

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

Is that an Oklahoma accent?

Or is it Texas?

We English speak English properly you know.

 

[East_Anglican]

I’m going to chalk this one up to “famous last words”. God is always sending us Warnings and Miracles and often times I think that He does this to save us from a severe Chastisement. I pray that God will be merciful with you, that it doesn’t have to come to a Warning or a Miracle or a severe Chastisement to make you see the error of your ways.

Come home to the Catholic church - in full communion with the Roman Pontiff.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

I am made roightous by faith and as the rightous are as bold as a lion, I can boldly say to you I will not become a Roman Catholic.

I will not believe a doctrine that isn’t true or be under the illegitimate authority of the bishop of Rome.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!