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Mickey said:
**Vain **repetition is not good. But there is nothing wrong with repetition.

Why do you denigrate the “Hail Mary” prayer?
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Mickey,

Please note, I siad the word ‘sometimes’

One can make such a thing into a vain ritual.

I also have problems with certain parts of the Hail Mary.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello agian East Anglican,

Does that mean that you will be getting rid of your Bible? I have a large Bible collection now (mostly Catholic Bibles), but I could always use one more. I need another “Protestant” bible, I find that they help me, defend my Catholc Faith. 😃

All kidding aside, what does your comment even mean? Faith in what? 🙂
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Faith in Christ and his death and reserection.

Have you got a Holman Christian Bible?

It’s very ‘Evangelical Protestant’ but as a copy of the two edged sword it’s very good. It’s cut me a few times. 😉
 
East_Anglican said:
Mickey,

Please note, I siad the word ‘sometimes’

One can make such a thing into a vain ritual.
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One can make anything into a vain ritual but it is not our place to judge anyone’s heart. Not that you are.
East_Anglican said:
I also have problems with certain parts of the Hail Mary.
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Here is the Orthodox version. I think it is quite beautiful.

Rejoice, O Virgin Mother of God, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb. For thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.
 
Mickey said:
One can make anything into a vain ritual but it is not our place to judge anyone’s heart. Not that you are.

Here is the Orthodox version. I think it is quite beautiful.

Rejoice, O Virgin Mother of God, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb. For thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.
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Straight from The Gospel of Luke. I like it! 👍
 
SIA said:
Yes, I knew all of those things. What is your point? Do you think that all Protestants are the same and share the same beliefs? It seems to me that you are just merely looking for a fight. Not very charitable.
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No…No…and somtimes yes, I’m sorry.

Like you, I am just trying to defend my faith.

Take care,
 
Jimmy_B said:
No…No…and somtimes yes, I’m sorry.

Like you, I am just trying to defend my faith.

Take care,
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Jimmy I read through some of your web site. Many many typos especially in your letter to Mary. Just FYI.

Also when you pick a fight are you defending your Faith or the Roman Catholic Church?? Then again why pick a fight? Do you think that is really Christ like.

PEACE
 
East_Anglican said:
It was for emphasis. It was not a vain repitition like a hail Mary sometimes is.
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Do you think there is anything wrong to recite the Lord’s Prayer daily or 100x a day?

Is that an example of a *vain repetition *as well?
 
NDfan said:
Jimmy I read through some of your web site. Many many typos especially in your letter to Mary. Just FYI.

Also when you pick a fight are you defending your Faith or the Roman Catholic Church?? Then again why pick a fight? Do you think that is really Christ like.

PEACE
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Hello NDfan, thank you, you are correct and I know your comments are well intended. 🙂

I am still working on many of my posts, gradually going back, and making corrections. I am glad that College degrees and SAT scores are not required to get into heaven.

When I wrote my "Letter to Mary”, I was posting my thoughts and not writing an essay. 😛

I have never claimed to be the greatest at typing, writing, or proofreading. I usually rush myself and I am more concerned with expressing my thoughts, than I am with the use of 'proper" English and the use of the ‘Preview Post” button… Thank you for putting up with me, I will try to slow down a little.

I know that I am a horrible writer and typer and a lazy proofreader but I do like to read. I am just a dumb, old broken dog, who is trying to do my best to defend my Catholic Faith, within my own limitations. Please forgive me. :rolleyes:

I am not trying to “pick a fight”; I have tried to be friendly, charitable and factual in my posts here. Moreover, as stated, I am simply attempting to defend my Roman Catholic Faith, which is and has been under attack. When you defend your positions here, I do not assume that you are trying to “pick a fight.” 👍

I do believe that Jesus Christ wants us to defend Him and his Church, which I believe is the Roman Catholic Church. 👍

I seem to be getting more and more comments from “Protestants” here, similar to your comments that seem to have a greater emphasis on critiquing me personally and less of an emphasis on a biblically supported apposing exegesis. :cool:

Thank you for your post.

God Bless
 
East_Anglican said:
What Jesus said is true. It is his body. But it is still bread. It says he took bread and said “This is my body.” If it is not bread, why do the gospel writers call it bread?
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When He picked it up, it was bread. After He spoke, His very Words made it His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. It is all in the timing I guess.

Gene
 
Mickey said:
To declare that someone who does not accept this strange doctrine is outside the Church, is a pharisaical statement. 😦
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It was meant to be a warning. If you consider warnings to be pharisaic, then, yes, I agree with you. Though, I hardly see the connection.

Gene
 
Shanisaurus said:
So do I still need to peep out from behind Mommy’s skirt when I need to approach Daddy? Jesus said “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.” (John 16:23) So WHY do we need to ask through someone else?

I do agree that the prayer of a righteous person is useful. Praying for each other is strongly encouraged in the Bible. But does the Bible say anything about those in Heaven praying for those on earth? Check out Revelations, and it seems to me that they have more important (or should I say the MOST important) things to do…
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You are making a very important distinction here. Why do we NEED to ask Mary to pray for us? The Catholic Church does not say that we HAVE to, or that we NEED to. That, to me, is very important to understand.

I am glad that you mentioned the Book of Revelation. Let’s see what it says about the saints in heaven and prayer:

Revelation 5:8
When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Revelation 8:3
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to ***the prayers of all the saints ***on the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand.

Now, some people seem to have the idea that the saints have better things to do in heaven than to pray for us. I have never quite understood that point of view.

The book of Revelation clearly teaches us that the saints are praying in Heaven. And since sin can not enter into Heaven, they are perfected in Christ, Holy, blameless, and spotless. So, their prayers are far more efficacious then mine. So, why not ask them to do what scripture clearly teaches us that thay are already doing? Why not participate more fully in the life of the Church, both now, at the hour of our death, and into eternity?

Gene
 
ChristianRoots said:
Why do you believe in a doctrine such as “Bible alone” if it is not found anywhere in Scripture?
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It has to do with the nature of the Scriptures themselves as being inspired-inerrant. Only the Scriptures are sufficent to base doctrines and practices and not traditions.
 
climer97007 said:
You are making a very important distinction here. Why do we NEED to ask Mary to pray for us? The Catholic Church does not say that we HAVE to, or that we NEED to. That, to me, is very important to understand.

I am glad that you mentioned the Book of Revelation. Let’s see what it says about the saints in heaven and prayer:

Revelation 5:8
When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Revelation 8:3
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to ***the prayers of all the saints ***on the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand.

Now, some people seem to have the idea that the saints have better things to do in heaven than to pray for us. I have never quite understood that point of view.

The book of Revelation clearly teaches us that the saints are praying in Heaven. And since sin can not enter into Heaven, they are perfected in Christ, Holy, blameless, and spotless. So, their prayers are far more efficacious then mine. So, why not ask them to do what scripture clearly teaches us that thay are already doing? Why not participate more fully in the life of the Church, both now, at the hour of our death, and into eternity?

Gene
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What you don’t see in the passages you quote in regards to the prayers of the saints is someone on earth praying directly to any of these saints. Secondly the context is describing evients that are seemingly in the future and not necessarily meant to be taken literally.
 
climer97007 said:
I am glad that you mentioned the Book of Revelation. Let’s see what it says about the saints in heaven and prayer:

Revelation 5:8
When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Revelation 8:3
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to ***the prayers of all the saints ***on the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand.

The book of Revelation clearly teaches us that the saints are praying in Heaven. And since sin can not enter into Heaven, they are perfected in Christ, Holy, blameless, and spotless. So, their prayers are far more efficacious then mine. So, why not ask them to do what scripture clearly teaches us that thay are already doing? Why not participate more fully in the life of the Church, both now, at the hour of our death, and into eternity?

Gene
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justasking4 said:
What you don’t see in the passages you quote in regards to the prayers of the saints is someone on earth praying directly to any of these saints. Secondly the context is describing evients that are seemingly in the future and not necessarily meant to be taken literally.
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What I see is Holy saints in Heaven praying. They don’t need prayer, only we do, so there are only two options for them. Either they are praying for us who are living, or for those after their death who are on their way to joining them in the Glory of Heaven.

Seemingly in the future? You think time in heaven is like it is here? You think when Moses appeared with Jesus in Glory at His transfiguration that that was somehow some future event? Heaven is eternal union wioth God who Himself resides outside the confines of time and space. So, why stretch to make a point by placing your human constraints on God or on the saints whom God has Glorified with Him in Heaven?

Gene
 
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historyb:
The number is 1500, a bit less than your number. I had to look it up, it does prove my premise. That each side knows little about the other. They are called denominations by the way, not religions.

Hello historyb, 👋

I do not 'argue" with fellow Catholics, even Catholics who assume that I am not familiar with the word”denomination".:doh2: I do not usually use this word to define the many sub-divisions of non-Catholic Christian and “Protestant” “religions”, because a new “religion” is started almost daily, some with a total membership of one or two guys. :banghead:

I am sorry, but I cannot let this “fact” slip under the radar. Like I wrote in my earlier posts, the total number of non-Catholic Christian and “Protestant” religions is estimated at “36,000“, as if 1500 hundred isn’t 1500 too many. :whacky: Here are the facts regarding non-Catholic Christian and “Protestant” “Denominations”, from a credible source (you can even by the books): 👍

This source put the number at 33820 as of 2001,
from Richard N. Ostling, Associated Press, 19 May 2001
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/WorldChristianEncy.jpgSince adding a religion doctorate from Columbia University to his technical background, he has spent 40 years systematizing information on world religions, a calling he discovered while assigned as an Anglican missionary in Africa. Now 73, Barrett recently culminated his oddly remarkable career with publication of the second edition of his global accounting of faiths and the faithful – trends, details and his best estimated count of believers of all religions in each of 238 nations and territories.
Never has there been such a thorough reference as the two large volumes, running 1,699 pages, of the World Christian Encyclopedia, published by Oxford University Press. Barrett has doggedly visited most of the lands in person, collecting raw material, including national census figures and United Nations data, and recruiting the 444 specialists who feed him material. Among them: Vatican missions librarian Willi Henkel and editor J. Gordon Melton of the Encyclopedia of American Religions. Barrett’s encyclopedia sought to count each human being in each religion and religious subcategory in each country as of 1900, 1970, 1990, 1995 and 2000, with projections to 2025.
The 2001 edition, successor to his 1982 first edition, which took a decade to compile, identifies 10,000 distinct religions, of which 150 have 1 million or more followers. Within Christianity, he counts 33,820 denominations.
Barrett also calculates religious populations for the Encyclopedia Britannica Book of the Year, standard estimates that are used in turn by the World Almanac and innumerable journalists. Such numbers are always debatable, but they’re the best available. “We don’t really have any rivals,”
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More information here.

I hope this helps, take care,👍
 
justasking4 said:
It has to do with the nature of the Scriptures themselves as being inspired-inerrant. Only the Scriptures are sufficent to base doctrines and practices and not traditions.
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This might be true, if the Scriptures themselves did not emerge from Tradition in the first place! 👍
 
I’m sorry I was wrong here is the current estiment. 😃
Your Total “Christian Denominations” Count for today is
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Please pray for Christian unity (John 17; Eph 4:5; Matt 16:18)

More information here
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