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[Lampo]

Christ does not intend for the church to teach the truth.

Really? Who wrote this?: " But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth." - 1 Tim. 3:15

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
Christ does not intend for the church to teach the truth. However there are falsehoods taught in the church at times.

Lampo
Do you know this from your interpretation of Scripture?

Yes. Do you interpret Scripture?

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
Christ does not intend for the church to teach the truth.

Lampo
Really? Who wrote this?: " But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth." - 1 Tim. 3:15

My mistake. i meant to write—Christ does not intend for the church to teach the falsely.

 

[Lampo]

My mistake. i meant to write—Christ does not intend for the church to teach the falsely.

Okay.

 

[Lampo]

Yes. Do you interpret Scripture?

Yes. In light of the teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
Yes. Do you interpret Scripture?

Lampo
Yes. In light of the teaching of the Catholic Church.

How well do you know church teachings? For example do you also study the catechism?

 

[Lampo]

For example do you also study the catechism?

I do.

 

[Lampo]

How well do you know church teachings?

Not well enough. It’s a never ending job.

 

[justasking4]

Not well enough. It’s a never ending job.

Then how would you know what you read and interpret in the Scriptures is in line with church teachings? I would think for many catholics this would be a daunting task and most catholics would not be able to live up to this standard.

 

[guanophore]

Scripture… If its not based on the scriptures its either false or not binding.

Since you believe this, ja4, why are you here on CAF? If you have already found your answers, what is this need you have to harass others because their beliefs are different than yours?

 

[guanophore]

We know the name is not the Roman Catholic church since that name is never used in the Scriptures. Nor is it the name of any protestant church either.

It is not Roman, but we get Kathos Holos from scripture. It is the whole church throughout the entire world, as we see in Col 1:6.

Kathos means universal. It is the same everywhere.

 

[Lampo]

Then how would you know what you read and interpret in the Scriptures is in line with church teachings? I would think for many catholics this would be a daunting task and most catholics would not be able to live up to this standard.

It’s not that hard, really. What I don’t know, I find the answer through the Catholic Church.

 

[onenow1]

Hi, SmtJ

Quote= SMTJ. I will say again…
We are born again when we repent and fully trust the work Jesus did for us on the cross and confess our sins (to him) and forsake them. Jesus alone can forgive sins. He is the one that died for us in order that we might be saved…

OneNow1. In Jesus last words to his Apostles: Matt.28: 19-20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the and the Holy Spirit,teaching them to observe all I have commanded.ME> Isn’t it interesting that teaching comes after baptizing ? Sounds like maybe some who are bapized need teaching such as those who are infants and small children.

Listen carefully! Abraham was suppllied with the sacrifice in Genesis. The Baptist intro to Jesus was as the Lamb of God.
When Jesus, accepted baptism from John, this too was a sacrifice from Jesus to us; And the Father said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Jesus did the will of the father Sacrement ] !! As seal in the new covenant as the waters were blessed by Jesus.

"And Peter said to them, 'Repent and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.] For the promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far off as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself " (Acts 2:38,39).

It is also interesting to note that this quote from Peter’s Pentecostal sermon does not merely state “… the promise is for you and children,” but “for you and your children,” which makes it clear that the children mentioned here were young enough to still be considered under the protection and authority of their parents. This is underscored when one understands that it was common for women and men to marry at the very young ages of twelve and thirteen, respectively. From this it becomes reasonable to assume that these children to whom Peter refers were young juveniles or, at the very least, in their preadolescence.

If I’m not mistaken babes are children.

Gensis 1: 2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. KJV

Peace, OneNow1

 

[Tomster]

In some protestant churches there is the prosperity gospel i.e. God intends all Christians to be rich in material goods to those churches that promote homosexuality. In the Roman Catholic church you have the marian doctrines, purgatory and indulgences to name a few.

Scripture… If its not based on the scriptures its either false or not binding.

There is one true church that is composed of believers who have truly believed that Christ died for their sins and is the their Lord and Savior.

Marian doctrines and purgatory have been more than adequately explained to you and therefore there is no further need to go over them.

However, I think it may be time to go over the topic of indulgences with you.

For starters, do you even know what is meant by the term indulgence? In case you do not, let me give it to you succinctly. By indulgence we mean the remission by God of temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven; such remission the Church grants apart from the sacrament of Penance.

The Church, singular, as opposed to churches, plural, which you referred to in an earlier post, by means of indulgences remits the temporal punishment due to sin by applying to the living, by way of absolution, and to the dead, by way of suffrage, the infinitie satisfaction paid by Jesus Christ as well as the superabundant satisfaction wrought by the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saints; these constitute the spiritual treasury of the Church.

The Roman Pontiff can grant indulgences, since to him was committed by Christ the administration of the entire spiritual treasury of the Church, again, singular; othres, too - for example the Bishops - have this power conceded to them either by the Roman Pontiff or by Canon Law.

Much more can be said about indulgences. However, I think this is more than enough for you to grasp right now.

 

[justasking4]

Tomster;3404390]Marian doctrines and purgatory have been more than adequately explained to you and therefore there is no further need to go over them.

However, I think it may be time to go over the topic of indulgences with you.

For starters, do you even know what is meant by the term indulgence? In case you do not, let me give it to you succinctly. By indulgence we mean the remission by God of temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven; such remission the Church grants apart from the sacrament of Penance.

What does “the remission by God of temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” mean? Can you give me a couple of examples?

The Church, singular, as opposed to churches, plural, which you referred to in an earlier post, by means of indulgences remits the temporal punishment due to sin by applying to the living, by way of absolution, and to the dead, by way of suffrage, the infinitie satisfaction paid by Jesus Christ as well as the superabundant satisfaction wrought by the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saints; these constitute the spiritual treasury of the Church.

Are you saying that catholic saints who have died with Mary and Jesus have an “excess” of grace which is somehow “stored” and can be used by the church to apply to others who have “less” grace?

The Roman Pontiff can grant indulgences, since to him was committed by Christ the administration of the entire spiritual treasury of the Church, again, singular; othres, too - for example the Bishops - have this power conceded to them either by the Roman Pontiff or by Canon Law.

What are some examples of the pope granting an indulgence?

Are there any examples in the NT of an apostle granting an indulgence?

Much more can be said about indulgences. However, I think this is more than enough for you to grasp right now.

This is an excellent primer and a good topic for discussion.

 

[justasking4]

It is not Roman, but we get Kathos Holos from scripture. It is the whole church throughout the entire world, as we see in Col 1:6.

Kathos means universal. It is the same everywhere.

What i see happening is that the term catholic which means universal is the identical to the term Roman Catholic which has distinct doctrines and is not universal. Technically they are not the same thing but i do realize that when the term catholic is used people are usually referring to the Roman Catholic church.

 

[guanophore]

What does “the remission by God of temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” mean? Can you give me a couple of examples?

Can’t we move that to a purgatory or indulgence thread?

Are you saying that catholic saints who have died with Mary and Jesus have an “excess” of grace which is somehow “stored” and can be used by the church to apply to others who have “less” grace?

No one has any grace that does not come from God. But yes there is a divine treasury of merit.

What are some examples of the pope granting an indulgence?

Can’t we do this on an indulgence thread?

Are there any examples in the NT of an apostle granting an indulgence?

Stephen prayed that the sins of his murderers not be held against them.

This is an excellent primer and a good topic for discussion.

Ok, but on one of the indulgence threads already running?

What i see happening is that the term catholic which means universal is the identical to the term Roman Catholic which has distinct doctrines and is not universal. Technically they are not the same thing but i do realize that when the term catholic is used people are usually referring to the Roman Catholic church.

I think you see it this way because your sight is impeded by your anti-Roman bigotry spectacles. The Catholic Church is NOT Roman, as you seem to believe. In fact, it does have universal doctrines, which are shared by the Roman Rite, but it is disrespectful to use the term “Roman” to refer to all Catholics. I think you do this as a way of constantly disrespecting not only the Roman Rite Catholics you are insulting, but also to the other 22 Catholic Rits that you refuse to acknowledge hold Apostolic doctrine.

 

[guanophore]

**I Timothy 4:1-3 **

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, :nope:and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. :bible1:

Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul, having embraced celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom, had fallen away from the truth?

Do you think that the Catholic Church forbids ANYONE to marry?

Do you think that Catholics are commanded to be vegetarians?

 

[CentralFLJames]

What i see happening is that the term catholic which means universal is the identical to the term Roman Catholic which has distinct doctrines and is not universal. Technically they are not the same thing but i do realize that when the term catholic is used people are usually referring to the Roman Catholic church.

Well let’s see now. Given that Protestants define themselves through the negative of exclusion (e.g. 'those who protest against Catholic teaching") do you think it is logically proper for Protestants to claim they are the Universal Church through a minority right of separation? Somehow I don’t think Jesus had in mind an unstructured borg like network-structure when He mentioned to Peter ‘thou are Peter and upon this rock I build my Church’. That’s hiearchy not anarchy.
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If you call yourself and introduce yourself as JustAsking4 do you think it is polite and respectful for somone else to address you by another name such as “JustPontificating IV” ? *

The following are prefiguring and de facto scripture references to The Catholic Church. Can you point to even one that prefigures Luther’s or Protestantism or any other non-Catholic Church?
The Catholic Church in Scripture:

More here: The Catholic Church in Scripture

Gen 14:18, “Then Melchisedek, the King of Salem, brought out bread and wine; for he was a priest of the most high GOD.”
This is a clear prefigurement of Jesus Christ as King and Priest, and the offering of Holy Communion in the Church. No other Church on the planet comes close to this.

2Sam 7:12-13, Psalms 127:1-2,
Tobit 13:10-23, many details about the Church of GOD are given, and also warnings are given to those who despise His Church. Of course modern Protestants would not know about this since early Protestants removed the book of Tobit from scripture 1500 years after its inclusion. Luther and the gang didn’t want anything in the revised scripture that contradicted the notion that 10’s of millions of common uneducated pheasants were infallible in interpreting the scripture in any way their conscience judged.

Hosea 2:14-24,Isaiah 54:1-17,
Isaiah 59:19-21, GOD promises perpetual orthodoxy for the Church which the promised Christ will found.
This flies in the face of Protestantism where any mon-n-pop with a KJV can start their very own new new small business “church” to put bread and butter on the table.

Isaiah 22:20-24, Prefigures the Papacy and its Authority, the Seat of Peter, and the Vatican.

Sirach 50:6-21, Prefigures the Pope, the Sacrifice of Mass, the Holy Eucharist, the Precious Blood. Of course the Protestants deleted this book from Holy Scripture 1500’s years later since it made it obvious that they could not exist without any liturgy.

Isaiah 62:5, Jer 7:34, Jer 16:9, Jeremiah 23:1-8,
Micah 4:1-3, Phil 2:7, Luke 2:7, John 1:1,14

Matthew 16:18, Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, The word ‘Catholic’, means Universal and is inferred. Yet somehow Protestants want to think they are the one universal church - all 30,000 different sects as one rabble?

Isa 40:11, John 10:16, John 17:20-21, Rom 16:17, Eph 4:3-6, 1Pet 2:25, Jesus Christ commanded that His Church must be ONE. It must be ONE in its founder, in its head, in its final aim, in its teaching, and in its government. But Protestants like the human idea of a stained glass window with shades of color and opacity all glued together from 30,000 different pieces from different broken sects.

Eph 3:20-21, Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus Christ chose the man to lead His Church on earth by changing his name from Simon to Peter, which means ‘rock’.

Matthew 5:48, John 17:17-19,
Matthew 18:18, and John 20:22-23, Jesus gave all of the Apostles the power to forgive sins. Protestants want to forgive themselves of sins…

Matthew 18:17, Jesus Christ demonstrated that His Church has the authority, as He told His followers to appeal to it, and if they refused to hear His Church, to let them be heathens. Protestants just change churches to the one down the street…

Matthew 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19
Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 8:6-13,
John 3:29, Acts 2:1-13, Eph 1:22, Eph 5:23, Col 1:18, Eph 5:30, Col 1:18,24, Eph 5:25, John 14:16-17,
1 Tim 3:15, the Church is the pillar and mainstay of the truth. Protesnts - no scripture is since it teaches itself.

Eph 5:27, Acts 8:27-40, 2Pet 1:20-21,
Acts 2:41,47, Acts 5:14, Acts 6:7, Acts 9:31
Acts 2:42,20:7, the Eucharistic Communion, the Mass, is celebrated in the new Church, and it is celebrated on Sunday, and now every moment of every day, and not just the Sabbath of the Old Covenant.

Acts 15:7, Matthew 16:18.

Proverbs 20:18, Proverbs 11:14,24:6, “Where there is no governor, the people shall fall; but there is safety where there is much counsel.”
Acts 15:4-29,Galatians 2:2, John 15:15-16, Acts 13:3,14:22,19:6, 1Cor 3:10-11, 1Tim 3:8-13,4:14,5:22, 2Tim 1:6,

**Titus 1:5, knowing that the Apostles will not live forever, provision is made to perpetuate the clergy by the ‘laying on of hands’ **for new Priests, Deacons, and Bishops. This is the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

1Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11-12,
1Cor 3:2, John 14:25-26,16:12-15,

Not to mention numberous Early Church Father writings.

Not even a fundamentalist sola scriptura view of even the Bible-Light KJV version of scripture can find any mention of Luther or Protestantism anywhere in the Bible. What translation are you using and is it “teaching you” in strange toungues?

James

 

[justasking4]

guanophore;3406117]
Originally Posted by submittedjoy
I Timothy 4:1-3

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

guanophore
Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul, having embraced celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom, had fallen away from the truth?

Do you think that the Catholic Church forbids ANYONE to marry?

If a catholic man is married can he be a priest? Is he forbidden to be a bishop in your church for the mere fact he is married?

Do you think that Catholics are commanded to be vegetarians?

It was a mortal sin to eat meat on Friday’s before Vat 2 was it not?

Is it not true that it is a sin to eat meat on Fridays during Lent?