Non-religious arguments against Polyamory?

[holyrood]

My guess is that most of these folks have to numb themselves with anti-depressants, or alcohol or other psychotropic agents to push away the natural revulsion to such a lifestyle.

(Please note: I am not in any way equating true depression, for which anti-depressants can be a life-saving aid, with those who use it to try to numb the natural law which lies in our heart).

I can vouch for this. Again, from spending years knowing them quite well from their writings. I’d say at least 90% of the people on the forums talk about being on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications. And those are just the ones who talk about it.

The person I know personally who is into poly drinks a great deal and in his 50s is using marijuana nearly weekly.

 

[holyrood]

When I flirt with a cute new friend, it’s not because the partners I already have are inadequate or insufficient for me. It’s because flirting with cute new friends is fun, and I want to see where things go, and my other partners think that’s great.

I will add that this quote (presumably from the linked article) ignores the ‘what happens after’ they flirt with the cute new friend. Yes, flirting is fun, new romance is fun, I’m sure the sexual encounters are fun…but they discount the reality that the cute new friend gets her feelings involved when they have sex…and then the cute new friend wants to see more of him…and then the wife gets a little insecure, even though she’s dating other men…and then the cute new friend wants more than being a booty call or the fantasy girl, but never real life…the cute new friend realizes she’s going to spend her life alone, taking care of herself, or the wife starts making it clear who’s in charge…cute new friend breaks up with him, and then he’s heartbroken…or leaves the wife for the cute new friend.

Point being: reality check. Flirting, romance, and sex have real life consequences. And this is where these relationships constantly end up, with drama, with one or the other of the relationships ending, with heartbreak, if not with STDs or unplanned pregnancies.

 

[dangerousdyls]

I am saying that even if you don’t consider it sex they still find it more enjoyable sex than women who engage in sex with men do.

I’m more interested in what *you *consider sex to be – what is your definition of “sex”?

 

[Bradski]

Again, this is the last time I say this, I don’t believe in this. Just trying to figure out what I’m supposed to say when “progressive” friends of mine bring it up in conversation. They’re not religious, so my thoughts on this in terms of morality wouldn’t mean anything to them.

This always raises an atheist eyebrow. That you can’t think of any good reason why something is wrong, but you are against it anyway.

Polygamy, which one would assume is the next logical step from polyamory, is fine as far as scripture goes. Are we to mentally white out those sections of the bible that reference it?

 

[PRmerger]

Polygamy, which one would assume is the next logical step from polyamory, is fine as far as scripture goes. Are we to mentally white out those sections of the bible that reference it?

You are operating under the misapprehension that because the Bible references something that this means the Bible is endorsing it.

Scripture is not “fine” with polygamy.

Scripture just mentions that it occurred.

Just like Scripture is not “fine” with worshipping idols.

Scripture just mentioned that it occurred.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I’m more interested in what *you *consider sex to be – what is your definition of “sex”?

Acts of a sexual nature between two consenting people involving the genitalia of at least one of them.

 

[PRmerger]

Acts of a sexual nature between two consenting people involving the genitalia of at least one of them.

What if there’s more than 2 people? What is that called?

And what if 1 of the 2 is not a person?

 

[Bradski]

You are operating under the misapprehension that because the Bible references something that this means the Bible is endorsing it.

Scripture is not “fine” with polygamy.

Scripture just mentions that it occurred.

Just like Scripture is not “fine” with worshipping idols.

Scripture just mentioned that it occurred.

I don’t think that scripture gives any indication that God is a proponent of worshipping idols. But it cetainly tells us that He had no problem with polygamy:

And I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

Lucky David…he can get as many as he likes.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t think that scripture gives any indication that God is a proponent of worshipping idols. But it cetainly tells us that He had no problem with polygamy:

And I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

Lucky David…he can get as many as he likes.

I think you need to stop reading the Bible with these lenses:

-fundamentalist interpretive monacles
-21st century contact lenses which aren’t the correct prescription

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t think that scripture gives any indication that God is a proponent of worshipping idols. But it cetainly tells us that He had no problem with polygamy:

And I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

Lucky David…he can get as many as he likes.

Let’s apply those same lenses you’re using, Bradski:

Make two cherubim of beaten gold for the two ends of the cover;
make one cherub at one end, and the other at the other end, of one piece with the cover, at each end.
The cherubim shall have their wings spread out above, sheltering the cover with them; they shall face each other, with their faces looking toward the cover.–Exodus 25:18-20

It seems pretty clear, just like your interpretation of God thinking polygamy “is fine”, that God seems to be endorsing the worship of idols, right?

 

[Bradski]

Let’s apply those same lenses you’re using, Bradski:

If you want to use the old: ‘We can’t interpret what the bible said with a modern perspective’, then let’s apply that across the board and be done with it. But you didn’t. You used that as a fall back position.

You specifically said that scripture doesn’t endorse polygamy. I have merely pointed out that your statement is not correct as the passage I quoted specifically does do that.

If you want to quote some scripture that suggests that it not the ideal situation, then I will feel entirely free to use your argument regarding a modern interpretation back at you.

You can’t just use it to back up only your views and dissallow it for anyone else.

 

[PRmerger]

If you want to use the old: ‘We can’t interpret what the bible said with a modern perspective’, then let’s apply that across the board and be done with it. But you didn’t. You used that as a fall back position.

Well, yeah. There’s no reason to be fundamentalist about it. “We can never interpret the Bible with a modern perspective”. Or "We must always interpret the Bible with a modern perspective.

The good old Catholic both/and is at work here.

That’s what makes Catholicism so formidable to refute.

We rarely appeal to the ONLYS or the ALONES.
We reject Science ALONE. Faith ALONE. Latin ALONE. The Bible ALONE.

That’s for extremists.

(And please note: the above, too, is not an ONLY or ALONE. Sometimes, we do have ONLYS or ALONES. For example, we are saved by Christ ALONE through His Body, the Catholic Church ALONE).

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

What if there’s more than 2 people? What is that called?

And what if 1 of the 2 is not a person?

1. An orgy
2. Bestiality or animal molestation

 

[PRmerger]

1. An orgy
2. Bestiality or animal molestation

But not sex?

You didn’t include them in your definition of sex

 

[holyrood]

I don’t think that scripture gives any indication that God is a proponent of worshipping idols. But it cetainly tells us that He had no problem with polygamy:

This thread is not about polygamy, however. It’s about polyamory, and they are actually two different things. The practice and lifestyle of polyamory are also quite different from Biblical polygamy.

 

[holyrood]

Women engaging in lesbian sex are much more likely to orgasm during sex and also orgasm more often during the encounter. In addition to that women in lesbian sex are also likely to enjoy substantially longer foreplay (which women often like) making sex more enjoyable even if they didn’t orgasm.

Or so I’ve heard.

And where are the studies claiming such a thing? You’ve just made a statement with nothing to back it up except, ‘or so I’ve heard.’ Sounds like made up propaganda.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

But not sex?

You didn’t include them in your definition of sex

1. Due to my complete lack of exposure to pornography I don’t know much at all about threesomes and such.
2. I also didn’t include rape or child molestation.

And where are the studies claiming such a thing? You’ve just made a statement with nothing to back it up except, ‘or so I’ve heard.’ Sounds like made up propaganda.

Regarding the more frequent orgasms I posted a study earlier, as to the foreplay comment I know quite a bit about lesbians both personally and regarding demography.

As to the “Or so I’ve heard” comment it was me playing a trope for laughs about an innocent and pure maiden having extensive knowledge of lesbian sex and sexual habits.

 

[Rohzek]

STD’s are proof positive that we are meant to remain single and masturbate.

Your logic is weak.

This is the best post in this thread.

 

[marymary1975]

So just to clarify. if a man gets pegged by a woman it is gay sex and if a wolf dildo is involved it is bestiality?

This is not the place to be discussing a litany of popular sexual acts that lesbian engage in and takes more fingers to count than double fisting uses.

Really it boils down to women knowing women’s bodies better than men knowing women’s bodies, women not haing a refractory period, women caring about their partners getting off much more than men do and women not rolling over and going to sleep after getting off like men do and instead enjoy spooning afterwards which feels great.

I am saying that even if you don’t consider it sex they still find it more enjoyable sex than women who engage in sex with men do.

No, because Germ Theory.

Mmm.interesting…basically what you are here suggesting to me.is that the reason why women are lesbians is because they have had unsatisfactory relationships with men and /or don’t.know.how to build.a relationship with men. So they still.like the basics of heterosexual.sex (use of a fake male.organ) but because they cannot built a.satisfactory relationship.with someone different that them then they go to another woman because it may be easier for her. Interesting.

This a great argument to support the idea that lesbianism is merely cultural and is just a learned behavior.

 

[marymary1975]

Someone I know that dates women that are polyamorous just had a scare where he thought one of the girls was pregnant. She claimed it was his, but how could he know?
He also has a STD from one of these women as well.

So, how about the possibility of pregnancy with someone you don’t want to have a child with and the very likely possibility of getting a STD.

STD’s are proof positive that we are meant to be monogamous.

This ^^^^ How can a child grow up in a “stable” family if no one is even sure who is the father?