North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

[Miss_Felicity]

Well that’s the amusing part about all of this. You could have encountered a transgendered person without ever even knowing it. This tweet sums up the situation now that this transphobic law has passed:

@PatMcCroryNC It’s now the law for me to share a restroom with your wife. #HB2 #trans #NorthCarolina #shameonNC
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A good friend of mine, incidentally the one who took me to my first Mass is trans. If he didn’t tell you you would have no idea he isn’t cis. Me and him should not be using the same restroom that’s what this law wants.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Why is that same bill limiting minimum wage?

And a person born with a vagina that has a penis added later would still need to use the woman’s bathroom according to this bill.

Seems like changing one’s sex designation on the driver license should do the trick.

It’s a much simpler operation.

 

[Randy_Carson]

It sounds like more problems will be created than solved by this bill. For one, a man who has transitioned physically and now identifies as female likely won’t be safe in a men’s restroom. How would most men respond to someone who appears to be female joining them in their space? From the article:

And why is the assumption made that men who have transitioned into females are sexual predators?

The problem is not that ACTUAL transgenders will attack women or girls.

The problem is that predators could POSE as transgenders and go into women’s bathrooms and locker rooms without anyone raising so much as an eyebrow at seeing them there.

 

[Randy_Carson]

McCrory justified his quick signing of this legislation by saying: “The basic expectation of privacy in the most personal of settings, a restroom or locker room, for each gender was violated by government overreach and intrusion by the mayor and city council of Charlotte. [The Charlotte ordinance] defies common sense and basic community norms by allowing, for example, a man to use a woman’s bathroom, shower, or locker room.”

This is nothing but a despicable extension of the “trans predator” narrative used to justify “bathroom bills” and justify discriminatory legislation against the LGBT community.

I am enraged that this gross legislation was passed, and done so under the auspices of protecting people like me.

And I am enraged by the profoundly anti-democratic process by which this legislation was enacted. The Republicans can sit on their rear ends doing nothing for the country, refusing to do their jobs, until they have a chance to pass some discriminatory, hateful legislation, and then suddenly they’re ALL ACTION.

I take up space in solidarity with the LGBTQI people of North Carolina, who are now left with no option but to pursue recourse through the courts. And, in the meantime, will be unsafe, because the people elected to represent them cynically and cruelly misrepresent them as the threat.

The real threat is the Republican caucus of the North Carolina General Assembly.

See you in November. :nunchuk:

 

[Randy_Carson]

So what do you want? You don’t want a transman in the men’s room because he was born a woman, and you don’t want them in the women’s room because that makes them “dirty perverts”.

You don’t want transwomen in the women’s restroom because they were born men, but I’ve seen a few transwomen that would make a frumpy wife very jealous, so the men’s room doesn’t work either.

That’s why this is a good protest.

No, we don’t want perverts pretending to be trans going into the locker rooms at the YWCA so they can look at little girls who are changing for swim practice.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

No, we don’t want perverts pretending to be trans going into the locker rooms at the YWCA so they can look at little girls who are changing for swim practice.

How does this law prevent that?

 

[Thorolfr]

Well that’s the amusing part about all of this. You could have encountered a transgendered person without ever even knowing it. This tweet sums up the situation now that this transphobic law has passed:

@PatMcCroryNC It’s now the law for me to share a restroom with your wife. #HB2 #trans #NorthCarolina #shameonNC
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeSJb5VWAAAP7Yt.jpg

Wouldn’t it be very disturbing for women in North Carolina to find trans-men with beards now using the women’s restroom there? Is this really what supporters of this new law want?

 

[Randy_Carson]

Btw, I believe that wage abuse by employers is rampant in NC - wage theft in the form of non-payment of overtime specifically. Lowly paid individuals who are the most economically vulnerable are most often the victims because they cannot risk losing their jobs by seeking redress. It is shameful that NC State government is complicit in this practice.

As opposed to the saintly practices of employers where?

I’ve lived in North Carolina for most of my life, and while I don’t doubt that there are unscrupulous employers the world-over, I’m curious as to why you think this problem is “rampant” in NC.

And why would you have a problem with standardization of the minimum wage in NC? It seems to me that this bill protects business owners from the do-gooding crusades of small town councils which would otherwise have the jurisprudence to raise wages based upon the whims of a tiny number of elected officials.

 

[Randy_Carson]

How does this law prevent that?

The law itself cannot prevent someone from cross-dressing convincingly in order to enter the locker room of the opposite sex.

However, the law empowers ordinary people to “say something” if they “see something” that looks suspicious. Otherwise, it would be “anything goes”, and eventually, no one would bat an eye if some dude strolled into the girls locker room at the local swim & racket club.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Wouldn’t it be very disturbing for women in North Carolina to find trans-men with beards now using the women’s restroom there? Is this really what supporters of this new law want?

I suspect you will find women who would feel more comfortable with sharing a bathroom with this person, because this is a biological woman, than the risk of people abusing transgender ordinances for bathrooms etc. being able to access such places and women not feeling comfortable. It could be the case that people wouldn’t know that a transgender individual is transgender but people must have dealt with these possible situations for a long time.

This whole issue about there being even a need for such an ordinance is just a symbol of a larger problem, of a society that hasn’t properly respected and upheld that women and men are different biologically and people can change the outside of their appearance all they like, with either the help of makeup, surgery or even from a medication perspective, some medication can help to increase certain masculine traits, but biologically this is still a woman in the picture above and no amount of surgery, makeup or medication is going to change that. This person as other transgendered individuals should be treated with respect and dignity but biological reality is just that and the concern and comfortable-ness in facilities for non transgendered people also needs to be respected.

 

[anon67074017]

I am glad that the great state of North Carolina did this. Gender-specific facilities should only be used by people who are biologically that gender.

 

[Thorolfr]

I suspect you will find women who would feel more comfortable with sharing a bathroom with this person, because this is a biological woman, than the risk of people abusing transgender ordinances for bathrooms etc. being able to access such places and women not feeling comfortable.

The problem, however, is how is a woman going to know that the person with a beard who just entered the women’s restroom was actually a female at birth? Who’s going to check and find out? How is this law going to be enforced?

and the concern and comfortable-ness in facilities for non transgendered people also needs to be respected

So having a person with a beard entering the women’s restroom is going to make non-transgender people feel more comfortable?

 

[St_Francis]

The problem, however, is how is a woman going to know that the person with a beard who just entered the women’s restroom was actually a female at birth? Who’s going to check and find out? How is this law going to be enforced?

Would it not make sense to say that this law is made 1. to prevent teenage biological boys from claiming some sort of right to dress in the girl’s locker room; and 2. to prevent lawsuits when biological men who look like men act creepily in a woman’s room and are kicked out?

I cannot imagine that even the NC Republicans thought that anyone would be checking birth certificates before permitting people into bathrooms.

So having a person with a beard entering the women’s restroom is going to make non-transgender people feel more comfortable?

See above.

 

[estesbob]

Wouldn’t it be very disturbing for women in North Carolina to find trans-men with beards now using the women’s restroom there? Is this really what supporters of this new law want?

No one would have a problem with her using the mens restroom. In fact no one would know The law is designed to keep obvious males out of the womens locker room and visa versa.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Would it not make sense to say that this law is made 1. to prevent teenage biological boys from claiming some sort of right to dress in the girl’s locker room; and 2. to prevent lawsuits when biological men who look like men act creepily in a woman’s room and are kicked out?

I cannot imagine that even the NC Republicans thought that anyone would be checking birth certificates before permitting people into bathrooms.

See above.

No, because there’s no evidence that such a problem even exists and you are creating a situation where people who don’t even look like they should be in a particular gendered bathroom are now legally required to use it. So one of two things is going to happen. Either people will ignore this ridiculous and unenforceable law or a transgendered person will become a victim of it and savage the State’s coffers in a civil suit. Maybe both.

 

[Monkey1976]

No, because there’s no evidence that such a problem even exists and you are creating a situation where people who don’t even look like they should be in a particular gendered bathroom are now legally required to use it. So one of two things is going to happen. Either people will ignore this ridiculous and unenforceable law or a transgendered person will become a victim of it and savage the State’s coffers in a civil suit. Maybe both.

Evidence that such a problem exists.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Evidence that such a problem exists.

That is only evidence of a political stunt.

 

[Memaw]

Yes.

I think it would be wise to build more single restrooms in public places, for multiple reasons, including this issue.

Women should NEVER be forced into sharing their bathroom with a man who claims to be transgender no matter what his reasons. No man should EVER be forced to share his bathroom with a women who claims to be transgender either. They need a bathroom of their own. God Bless, Memaw

 

[JonNC]

Perhaps some woman’s husband, or a woman with martial arts training? Unwanted sexual advancements can easily lead to violence, which is why I think this is one issue that is best handled at the lowest level, the people involved. It is better to simply leave and wait, if you are uncomfortable. If you think you should say something, say something. If a business wants a policy, post it. If you do not like being confronted, then keep it low key and no one will bother you. This issue is only an issue when someone makes it so, like some transgender person making a big scene out of their “rights” or, as in this case, the Republican legislature making an issue out of forcing business to ignore these same rights. Ironic that it is Republicans meddling in the local affairs of business owners.

The idea that this law will make bathrooms safer is based on false security. A true predator might be just as willing to dress as a woman to follow a girl, or might not need to if he preys on boys, or might be a woman who preys on girls. It is better to assume almost everyone is good, while training a child how to react if a dangerous person does attack them.

In the state of North Carolina, local government only has power that is granted to it by the state. The state government is meddling in its constitutional business.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

I am just waiting for the first lawsuit from a “big boned” woman who is denied entrance to the woman’s bathroom because she does not look “womanly”. And what happens when a really butch female goes into the woman’s bathroom? Should I make a scene???

What department store is going to hire gender police?

This whole thing is just stupid.

No department store. The statute does not cover private businesses or property. It covers public facilities such as schools. The explanation is on the Facebook page of NC House Speaker Tim Moore.

Jon