Nra calls for armed police officer in every school

[_Abyssinia]

Saving human lives (1%) is worthy or isn’t it?

By that comment you are concluding that if you ban assault weapons that would stop the 1% from being killed, which based on the 10 year evidence from the 1994 assault weapons ban, does not show evidence that the ban lowered the homicide rate. You are concluding that the criminal would not use another weapon to kill, and shouldn’t knives be banned, they killed 1000 plus annually. Should cars be banned, they kill 40000 as of 2005

 

[PGNewton]

It could argue that if knives were banned then people would not be able to kill with knives and people would be saved, or would they, because wouldn’t people who wanted to kill find another weapon to use, as they would if guns were banned

Did the 1999 assault weapons ban work in lowering the homicide rate?

Assault rifles are used in approximately 1% of gun crime

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/18/mass-killings-common/1778303

A third of mass killings didn’t involve guns at all. In 15 incidents, the victims died in a fire. In 20 others, the killer used a knife or a blunt object. When guns were involved, killers were far more likely to use handguns than any other type of weapon

FBI data from 2006 to 2010 shows mass killings account for less than 1% of gun crime

I am sure the statistics will provide a great deal of comfort to the people of Newtown. The only number that matters to them is 20 dead children.

 

[spartan_cop]

What is this, the Wild West? There are law enforcement officers, not everywhere at every moment I know, but that’s their job, spartan_cop. I’ve lived in NYC a long time and never needed to defend myself against a criminal.

LOL!! Are you kidding me? We have cops everywhere? You know what’s quickest I can get to call? Two minutes!! and that’s if it’s in my area. Why? Because it first has to be dispatch to be, then I have to be cautious for traffic/civilians, and a car can only go so fast. Count your self lucky then! Because I’ve seen what a situation could have been if the victim had protection. You wish not to carry a weapon then that’s your choice, more power to ya, but who are you to deny that to someone who does want to carry a weapon for self-defense? Please answer that.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

That’s true, but none that I’m aware of in developed countries with modern school safety systems.

What safety systems?

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am sure the statistics will provide a great deal of comfort to the people of Newtown. The only number that matters to them is 20 dead children.

Most respectful thing people can do is talk about gun control in an adult way, even if people disagree, without stepping on the memory of the Newton victims

 

[ProVobis]

How is that relevant? New gun laws won’t prevent drunk driving either.

If we round up all the guns, it won’t stop all gun crimes, but it will massively reduce them. America has repeatedly shown that it does not have a culture of responsible gun ownership (we are not Switzerland). We have to get rid of the guns.

There are ammunition limits in Switzerland.

 

[spartan_cop]

Just an example man.

Poor example then man.

 

[SamH]

What is this, the Wild West? There are law enforcement officers, not everywhere at every moment I know, but that’s their job, spartan_cop. I’ve lived in NYC a long time and never needed to defend myself against a criminal.

So why did it take 20 minutes for one to show up at Sandy Hook?

 

[seekerz]

Given a gun everyone becomes a cop. Or vigilante.

Exactly. Now kids won’t need to out in public to get shot for wearing hoodies or playing loud music…your underwear’s showing and you refuse to pull it up? Look out…

 

[JonNC]

Of course! Training is very important, I cant tell you how many times in LE we end up getting tunnel vision when dealing with an incident. You can usually tell which officer take their training serious and which don’t. I agree that a teacher should have the right to teach, but he/she should have the right to protect their students and themselves. Things change in this world some good some bad. Just as in police work where some tactics, tools, and dress apparel have changed to meet the demands of new crime so too, unfortunately, teaching in America has changed.

Jon

 

[meltzerboy]

LOL!! Are you kidding me? We have cops everywhere? You know what’s quickest I can get to call? Two minutes!! and that’s if it’s in my area. Why? Because it first has to be dispatch to be, then I have to be cautious for traffic/civilians, and a car can only go so fast. Count your self lucky then! Because I’ve seen what a situation could have been if the victim had protection. You wish not to carry a weapon then that’s your choice, more power to ya, but who are you to deny that to someone who does want to carry a weapon for self-defense? Please answer that.

You misread what I said: I acknowledged that police are NOT everywhere. It seems unusual to me that a police officer advocates this. Is this a common attitude?

 

[PGNewton]

Most respectful thing people can do is talk about gun control in an adult way, even if people disagree, without stepping on the memory of the Newton victims

I meant no disrespect to anyone. But how many lives does it take to become statistically significant?

 

[bellasbane]

usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/18/mass-killings-common/1778303

A third of mass killings didn’t involve guns at all. In 15 incidents, the victims died in a fire. In 20 others, the killer used a knife or a blunt object. When guns were involved, killers were far more likely to use handguns than any other type of weapon

FBI data from 2006 to 2010 shows mass killings account for less than 1% of gun crime

Abortions account for only one or two deaths…at a time. So by your reasoning, I can ignore the aggregate impact of all these killings and focus only on “mass killings”. Wow, that makes the whole problem go away!

Hmmm. I don’t think so.

Statistics, Guns, and Wishful Thinking

 

[SamH]

There are ammunition limits in Switzerland.

Source?

My understanding the “limit” is 250 rounds - and that is only for people bringing firearms into the coutnry.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I meant no disrespect to anyone. But how many lives does it take to become statistically significant?

Of course the lives lost in the shooting are significant

 

[ProVobis]

The last major school fire that I can remember was the Our Lady of the Angles in Chicago in 1958.

I lived close by. 90 some kids were killed in that fire.

They installed sprinkling systems in all schools, halls, and many other places very soon afterwards.

 

[HansTrappist]

The police know what a shotgun is. The news reporters who report the story, not so much.

That may be.

Just was such a glaring discrepancy and multiple initial reports stated that a rifle was found in the car. I could see if one report got it wrong but multiple reports (usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/15/15926718-newtown-gunman-forced-his-way-into-school-police-say?lite, fox5vegas.com/story/20346133/reports-of-multiple-dead-including-1-child-from-ct-elementary-school-shooting, and abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/live-updates-newtown-ct-school-shooting/) stated that the police reported finding a rifle in the car. It has now been changed after the fact to a shotgun in the car, a shotgun that has yet to be identified.

Just seems a bit odd.

Anyway, I am sure that the school security cameras will sort it all out.

 

[seekerz]

What safety systems?

Teachers at the front door to greet the kids as they are dropped off…external doors locked during school hours…buzz-in systems…911…you know, the things that are taken for granted in the West.

In most developing countries, kids walk to school or take regular buses - often unaccompanied, they sit in classrooms (often 50 or more to a room) open to the great outdoors (or in some cases, the great outdoors is the classroom) and the teachers first become aware they’re at school at attendance time. It’s much easier for them to be attacked by someone bent on causing harm.

 

[kelvinf]

By that comment you are concluding that if you ban assault weapons that would stop the 1% from being killed, which based on the 10 year evidence from the 1994 assault weapons ban, does not show evidence that the ban lowered the homicide rate.

A single life saved is valuable or isn’t it. Answer the question.

Preventing mass killings by taking certain kinds of guns away is a step in the right direction. It’s worth it!

You are concluding that the criminal would not use another weapon to kill, and shouldn’t knives be banned, they killed 1000 plus annually. Should cars be banned, they kill 40000 as of 2005

Does it make any difference for people who are drunk for instance not to drive?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Abortions account for only one or two deaths…at a time. So by your reasoning, I can ignore the aggregate impact of all these killings and focus only on “mass killings”. Wow, that makes the whole problem go away!

Hmmm. I don’t think so.

Statistics, Guns, and Wishful Thinking

Professor of criminology Florida State University, Gary Kleck’s study found guns prevent estimated 6849 crimes per day, 2.5 million crimes annually and that every day 1100 murders, 5200 other violent and 550 rapes per day are prevented by showing a handgun, less than 0.9% of that time a gun is fired

US department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, ‘Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities, 1979’ said of the 2500000 yearly self defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% were by women against sex abuse defending themselves

Comparing abortion to guns is a bad comparison. Guns do kill, but they save many more lives yearly than they kill. Abortion only kills