Obama ‘Abruptly’ Walks Out of Debt Talks

[beckers]

I think contraception is the main objective, not abortions.

As for that quote, it’s a horrible thing to say, but remember why she said it. Large families that are poor are struggling to support the family… With christianity being the dominant influence on culture, sex for procreation is pushed. The poorer the family, the larger the family and with more kids, the harder it is to feed them. It’s a devastating circumstance. While Sanger’s intentions of trying to help the poorer families may be noble, the means of doing so is questionable.

These poor children barely have a chance to succeed in the world. We are seeing it still today. So few so-called christians go out and help these lower class families. Instead, they just turn their noses up and judge in disgust.

Wow…just wow…

How about before a women can have sex she gets approval from the govt to see if she is considered wealthy enough for a child or more than 2 then her tubes are tied! That would solve all the problems.

It is not up to you to decided whether a child is ‘worthy’ to brought into this world. That is up to god.

 

[rlg94086]

Three subtle points, or not too subtle in the first case, that people often miss come to mind:

(1) Paul said if you don’t work you don’t eat.

(2) The Good Samaritan - he gave the gravely stricken man enough to get ‘out of the ditch’ and back on his feet, not an unending amount of charity. Give those in dire need a step up, but then they have to step up.

(3) God feeds the birds in the sky (Matt. 6:26), but He doesn’t throw the food into the nest. The birds have to go out each day to get it.

God bless you.

All good points.

 

[Arkadin]

So would a cop lose all credibility in your books if he went into a internet chat room, posed as a minor to see if a paedophile wanted to have sexual encounter with him?

Yes, regardless of what he or she is trying to do. Means don’t justify the ends, at least in the eyes of a christian.

 

[ringil]

Hi Ringil, I know and I did edit my post to clarify that. I’ve only been back there once but after that incident, I called ahead to ask who would be celebrating the Mass I was attending. He is young but I do still have this fear about where the direction of the Church is headed as I hear younger priests tend to be more conservative in their outlooks, if that’s true.

I’m actually glad that the younger priests are tending to be more liturgically conservative. I enjoy going to a Latin Mass every now and again.

One thing I don’t want is Conservative POLITICS with my faith. I think most priests aren’t merging the two.

The social doctrine of the Church are not straight laissez-fair capitalism. On the other hand the social doctrine is not socialism either.

 

[rlg94086]

latest polls:

Quote:
A plurality of registered voters said congressional Republicans are to blame in the event the debt ceiling is not raised in a poll conducted by Quinnipiac University from July 5-11.

When asked to whom they would assign responsibility should the limit not be raised, 48 percent of respondents chose the congressional Republicans; 34 percent said they would blame the Obama administration.

These results echo a Pew Research Center poll conducted from June 16-19 which asked the same question as the Quinnipiac poll. According to that survey, 42 percent of respondents said they would blame Republicans in Congress if the debt ceiling were not raised; 33 percent chose the Obama Administration.
A plurality of registered voters said congressional Republicans are to blame in the event the debt ceiling is not raised in a poll conducted by Quinnipiac University from July 5-11.

When asked to whom they would assign responsibility should the limit not be raised, 48 percent of respondents chose the congressional Republicans; 34 percent said they would blame the Obama administration.

These results echo a Pew Research Center poll conducted from June 16-19 which asked the same question as the Quinnipiac poll. According to that survey, 42 percent of respondents said they would blame Republicans in Congress if the debt ceiling were not raised; 33 percent chose the Obama Administration.

source: huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/poll-public-gop-republicans-blame_n_898516.html

So, what is your point? Should the Republicans change their views based on polling data…for fear of election results? I know that is how Democrats operate, but I prefer my legislators to actually do what they said they would do.

Personally, I hope Obama’s words during the debt ceiling vote during the Bush administration (when he voted ‘no’…I guess it wasn’t out of conviction though, because he obviously doesn’t have any) get played over and over again, so people realize that Obama could very well have called himself a failed leader.

 

[antonivs]

So, what is your point? Should the Republicans change their views based on polling data…for fear of election results? I know that is how Democrats operate, but I prefer my legislators to actually do what they said they would do.

Personally, I hope Obama’s words during the debt ceiling vote during the Bush administration (when he voted ‘no’…I guess it wasn’t out of conviction though, because he obviously doesn’t have any) get played over and over again, so people realize that Obama could very well have called himself a failed leader.

My point was I thought people would be interested in the information. Personally, I always find polls interesting.

 

[ringil]

What’s your problem with Protestant work ethic? The Protestant or the work ethic? The fact is that I have no problem working out here in this 100+ degree weather has no relation to my religion. Yea, I thank God that I’m healthy enough, an pray that I die healthy enough to do this day in and day out. I just hope they find me before the buzzards do. There are plenty of jobs like mine, and plenty of welfare people who refuse to do them. I struggle to pay my bills and live within my means like a lot of others do, I hold no illusions as to how tough life can be. My father drilled this into me, not my preacher, he grew up poor and I do what I do hoping I never have to experience what he experienced.

I’m going to finish loading my truck up out in this heat to be ready for work tomorrow. Forgive me if I don’t respond right away, but I will read your response if you so choose.

THat’s what it’s called the Protestant Work Ethic as a development of the English Poor Laws. This concept shapes the outlook of the Right. It speaks of the “worthy” and “unworthy” poor. The “worthy” poor are the blind, maimed, and the widow. The worthy are. . . well . . . . everyone else. It presses the idea that with moral riteousness and hard work comes material wealth as God wills. The poor are poor because of a lax lifestyle and lack of discipline.

Does this sound like sound logic to you? It does to many and that’s what makes them the Right.

 

[Arkadin]

Wow…just wow…

How about before a women can have sex she gets approval from the govt to see if she is considered wealthy enough for a child or more than 2 then her tubes are tied! That would solve all the problems.

It is not up to you to decided whether a child is ‘worthy’ to brought into this world. That is up to god.

I’m not supporting anti-life things, but trying to put context into what Sanger was saying and why.

People are irresponsible and when someone accidentally gets pregnant, it can be very devastating. Pro-life groups like to promote adoption, but do people forget how difficult and expensive it is to maintain a pregnancy? I’m sure there are groups out there that help, but they are not widely available to all people. It’s a terrible situation for anyone who is suffering financially.

I know people criticize shows like Teen Mom and 16 & Pregnant, but they are good programs that educate young people. Education is necessary, but it’s difficult with a culture that pushes unhealthy images and products on young and old alike for the sake of money.

 

[Arkadin]

THat’s what it’s called the Protestant Work Ethic as a development of the English Poor Laws. This concept shapes the outlook of the Right. It speaks of the “worthy” and “unworthy” poor. The “worthy” poor are the blind, maimed, and the widow. The worthy are. . . well . . . . everyone else. It presses the idea that with moral riteousness and hard work comes material wealth as God wills. The poor are poor because of a lax lifestyle and lack of discipline.

Does this sound like sound logic to you? It does to many and that’s what makes them the Right.

Joel Olsteen is all about it, at least from what I have gathered.

 

[rlg94086]

I’m actually glad that the younger priests are tending to be more liturgically conservative. I enjoy going to a Latin Mass every now and again.

One thing I don’t want is Conservative POLITICS with my faith. I think most priests aren’t merging the two.

The social doctrine of the Church are not straight laissez-fair capitalism. On the other hand the social doctrine is not socialism either.

I prefer my priests to be faithful to the teaching of the Church. If they are, they will be politically “conservative” on many moral issues (abortion, homosexuality, etc.), “moderate” when it comes to taxation and immigration issues, and “liberal” when it comes to things like war and the death penalty.

 

[Suudy]

As for that quote, it’s a horrible thing to say, but remember why she said it. Large families that are poor are struggling to support the family… With christianity being the dominant influence on culture, sex for procreation is pushed. The poorer the family, the larger the family and with more kids, the harder it is to feed them. It’s a devastating circumstance. While Sanger’s intentions of trying to help the poorer families may be noble, the means of doing so is questionable.

Not just questionable. Downright evil.

These poor children barely have a chance to succeed in the world. We are seeing it still today. So few so-called christians go out and help these lower class families. Instead, they just turn their noses up and judge in disgust.

Better dead than underfed, eh?

 

[SamH]

Better dead than underfed, eh?

We can save them by killing them.

 

[ringil]

I prefer my priests to be faithful to the teaching of the Church. If they are, they will be politically “conservative” on many moral issues (abortion, homosexuality, etc.), “moderate” when it comes to taxation and immigration issues, and “liberal” when it comes to things like war and the death penalty.

I’d change your “moderate” on taxes and immigration to liberal, but that’s me.

I don’t want any politics with my religion- that’s the main thing for me. Oh, and cleaning up the Mass.

 

[rlg94086]

I’d change your “moderate” on taxes and immigration to liberal, but that’s me.

Well, I would say that Bush and McCain in-line with Church teaching on immigration by working towards immigration reform. I also think Bush’s across the board tax cuts would be considered moderate.

 

[Arkadin]

Not just questionable. Downright evil.

Better dead than underfed, eh?

Underfed will just kill them all.

 

[Arkadin]

. I can’t believe how many Catholics on this board believe they can actually fulfill their obligation to help the poor by voting for a politician who promise to take other people’s money to do it for them.
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Kind of like charities, right?

People donate money to a charity in hopes that it will serve the people. You’re really doing your “part”.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Better dead than underfed, eh?

Why would you assume that’s what he’s saying? Maybe he’s saying that if more Christians acted rather than fancying they are doing the world a favor by voting, fewer would be dead. Is that not a fair critique?

 

[rlg94086]

Kind of like charities, right?

How is personal charity anything like having politicians take other people’s money?

 

[ringil]

Well, I would say that Bush and McCain in-line with Church teaching on immigration by working towards immigration reform. I also think Bush’s across the board tax cuts would be considered moderate.

You know, I was pleased with how McCain has been able to work on some issues uncharacteristic of the Right. I also like to see Democrats able to do the same.

I would LOVE to see some financially liberal Democrats committed to Pro-Life causes.

Go ahead jump on me guys. . .

 

[Arkadin]

How is personal charity anything like having politicians take other people’s money?

You really have to ask?