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SamH
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Because he didn’t say that?
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estesbob
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Yes you are. You are taking your money and using it to help the poor. . That is what we are called to do. . Voting for somebody who promises to take other people’s money to give to the poor in no way fulfills your obligation to help the needy… It is at the most a morally neutral act.
Suudy
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I didn’t say Arkadin said anything. I was responding to Sanger’s point in plain language. Strip away all of Sanger’s flowery rhetoric, and that is what you get.
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rlg94086
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Yes. Your question boggles the mind. Personal charity is an individual giving of themself to benefit another. It is personal sacrifice to help another. Voting to have someone else give their money to help someone else is not charity. It isn’t even close to charity.
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Arkadin
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The person voting for a politician who agrees to use money to help fund social programs to help the poor sees this as an act of charity. By voting for this person, they agree to their money being used for a worthy cause.
It’s just the greedy type that have a problem with this.
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rlg94086
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If 90% of the people vote to take money from 1% of the people, then that 90% are not agreeing to have “their money be used to help the poor.” You aren’t thinking logically.
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Arkadin
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Voting for a politician who supports beneficial social programs is essentially giving your money to a charitable cause. However, with voting…the politician and social programs hit a far wider scale than most charities.
Now, there is corruption with politicians. One needs to be wise in who they vote for. The same goes for where one’s money goes for charities.
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estesbob
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yes, I know that is the attitude of liberals. that is if they can fulfill their obligation to help the poor by forcing somebody else to do it for them. . It’s utter nonsense.
yes I know in the bizarro world of left-wing politics. anybody who does not support their policies are greedy. And as I mentioned before conservatives give far more money to charity.than liberals, that is because conservatives do not believe in abdicating their responsibility to take care of the poor and needy to government bureaucracies
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Arkadin
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If you want to get really technical, it’s no one’s money.
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rlg94086
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Exactly. He also made no comments about who should be taxed, or what percentage, or how the government should use taxes. There is no reason to attribute any tax policy to being in line with Christ’s teaching, since He made no comment either way.
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rlg94086
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estesbob
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is like somebody walking into my house, stealing my TV, selling it for hundred dollars and then claiming he is charitable when he gives $50 of the proceeds to the local abortion clinic. And of course if somebody helped him pick the lock they could claim to be engaging in charity also as they enabled the crook go steal my TV and use the proceeds for charitable purposes.
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estesbob
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And there is the liberal philosophy in a nutshell. All wealth belongs to the state
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rlg94086
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Technically, the TV doesn’t belong to you.
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Scott_Lafrance
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What PP does is equivocates services. At a car dealership, it would be as if the considered answering the phone and changing the engine in a car to be equal services. Killing a baby and handing a teenager a pack of condoms are not equal services, yet that is how they are treated.
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Arkadin
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No, it means we’re broke.
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Carlan
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No, and of that %. you clam they do not pay taxes, it is not so, as I said I class myself as lower middle and as such I pay taxes, Tell me how much income qualifies a widow without dependents , in your estimation, to be called lower middle class?
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Scott_Lafrance
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That about sums it up. If I want to keep and dispose of the money I earn in the manner that I find suitable, I am selfish. If someone wants to use the power of government to liberate me of my money and give me no say in how it is spent, they are called compassionate and caring.
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bbarrick8383
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Nope, I don’t believe God blesses me with material things because I work hard. I believe God blesses me with good health to go out and work hard so that I can provide the right type of life I want for my three children. There are no poor who are poor based on the circumstances of life that are unworthy of my charity when I can provide it. There are poor who could not be poor if they would only get off their hind ends and quit complaining about how bad they have it. I’d work 80 hours a week if I had to in order to provide for my family. I don’t expect anything less from those on welfare if they have physical means.
I’m not sure you worded what you said right.
I do not believe material goods come from hard work or that God has anything to do with them. Material things come from a variety of ways, hard work could be one of them if it pays off. Falling into a well paying job without any education, or getting an education and getting a well paying job. Material things do not matter to me, and most people around here could adapt much more easily than anyone in a city if we were to lose them.
This Protestant work ethic theory that you talk about has some truths that some people may or may not believe. But it has no bearing in my life and I would most likely call it conservative work ethic. One of my co-workers is in his 70’s and built his own house, even making some of his own lumber, with very little help. He does not have a high school diploma, yet has made hundreds of thousands of dollars in his life. All through hard physical labor and working his way up the ladder.
I on the other hand, am in my early thirties and barely squeeze by with a wife and three kids. Yet, I hope someday to be as successful as he has been by the sweat of my own brow. In return I would be even more charitable than I can be now.
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CMatt25
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Do you really think PP’s primary reason for having doctors is to provide primary care?
If you had actually paid attention to what I actually said, you would know I did not say that. I said I have heard of women attesting to the use of PP for their primary care. I have no idea what that entails for or to those women and neither do you or anyone else here. Unless someone here either is one of those women or knows one of them personally. I also noted numbers showing the gap between important health screenings and other services performed by PP vs abortions. What numbers and sources and links and women you wish to believe or not believe, is up to you. You can believe and judge whatever and whomever you want. Therefore I am done with this discussion of PP with you here. God bless.- Status