Obama ‘Abruptly’ Walks Out of Debt Talks

[kimmielittle]

He said render unto caesar, that which is caesar’s. He put no fairness clause into his teachings, so His teaching could be ignored to fatten your own wallets.

Only neocons believe that Jesus taught us to benefit the wealthy, and let the poor fend for themselves.

Those poor helpless millionaires, in their teaming masses, yearning to have their heavy crosses lifted from their heavily burdened shoulders!

Oh the humanity of it!

jomoco

Sorry, I don’t remember asking for your subjective speculations

Originally Posted by kimmielittle
He also called us to be good stewards…explain to me how raising taxes / debt ceiling …without an audit of the Fed - and a balanced budget…is good economic stewardship, please

Waiting

 

[jomoco]

Ok then. If that’s what “neocons” believe, who here is advocating kicking granny to the curb and letting poor children starve? I don’t think you’ll find more than a couple of “neocons” as you’ve defined them here on CAF.

That may have been my sincere hope when I first visited this website in 09, but it most certainly hasn’t been the reality, particularly these days in 7/11, with millions more Americans falling into poverty, and homelessness, in droves, as the neocon mantra of cutting taxes during wartime, “stays the course.”

jomoco

 

[estesbob]

That may have been my sincere hope when I first visited this website in 09, but it most certainly hasn’t been the reality, particularly these days in 7/11, with millions more Americans falling into poverty, and homelessness, in droves, as the neocon mantra of cutting taxes during wartime, “stays the course.”

jomoco

That may have been my sincere hope when I first visited this website in 05, but it most certainly hasn’t been the reality, particularly these days in 7/11, with millions more Americans falling into poverty, and homelessness, in droves, as the pinko commie demand to raise taxes during a recession , “stays the course.”

 

[Suudy]

That may have been my sincere hope when I first visited this website in 09, but it most certainly hasn’t been the reality, particularly these days in 7/11, with millions more Americans falling into poverty, and homelessness, in droves, as the neocon mantra of cutting taxes during wartime, “stays the course.”

What does cutting taxes have to do with kicking granny to the curb or starving children? Nobody here thinks it is ok for granny to be homeless or children to go hungry. We just completely disagree on the means to help granny and feed children.

**Nobody **has suggested that we “let the poor fend for themselves”. Indeed, the conservative folk here and nationwide contribute billions to charities to help the poor. Just because we want to shrink government doesn’t mean we want the poor to “fend for themselves”.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I edited my post before I saw this. Explaining shared sacrifice. It’s also called compromise.

Obama’s (and most liberals) definition of “shared sacrifice” is, we take everything from the “rich” and distribute it evenly among the poor.

That’s John 21:25, if I’m not mistaken.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

He said render unto caesar, that which is caesar’s. He put no fairness clause into his teachings, so His teaching could be ignored to fatten your own wallets.

Only neocons believe that Jesus taught us to benefit the wealthy, and let the poor fend for themselves.

Those poor helpless millionaires, in their teaming masses, yearning to have their heavy crosses lifted from their heavily burdened shoulders!

Oh the humanity of it!

jomoco

Just admit that you have no idea what the “render under Caesar” passage in the bible means. Well, you have tacitly implied your lack of understanding by demonstration.

 

[estesbob]

Obama’s (and most liberals) definition of “shared sacrifice” is, we take everything from the “rich” and distribute it evenly among the poor.

That’s John 21:25, if I’m not mistaken.

Actaully their idea is we sacrifice and they share.

 

[jomoco]

What does cutting taxes have to do with kicking granny to the curb or starving children? Nobody here thinks it is ok for granny to be homeless or children to go hungry. We just completely disagree on the means to help granny and feed children.

**Nobody **has suggested that we “let the poor fend for themselves”. Indeed, the conservative folk here and nationwide contribute billions to charities to help the poor. Just because we want to shrink government doesn’t mean we want the poor to “fend for themselves”.

They’re called Social Security and Medicaid, grannies and poor folk in the millions depend on them to keep from starving and beggary.

They are American programs, legislated legally into law.

And neocons like cantor and boehner are literally foaming at their mouths in anticipation of drastically cutting back both these programs.

You can see it in their eyes, that fervent gleam of seeing millions of their fellow Americans fall into poverty, begging at some church’s door for food and shelter, while their true constituents, the elite billionaires, drink champaign, toasting their war-profits.

jomoco

 

[kimmielittle]

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Actaully their idea is we sacrifice and they share.

There is no such thing as “shared sacrifice”. Sacrifice is a deeply personal, individual responsibility. This phrase gets right at the heart of Obama and the liberals. They don’t see people, they see groups that they can exploit on behalf of other “victim” groups.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

They’re called Social Security and Medicaid, grannies and poor folk in the millions depend on them to keep from starving and beggary.

They are American programs, legislated legally into law.

And neocons like cantor and boehner are literally foaming at their mouths in anticipation of drastically cutting back both these programs.

You can see it in their eyes, that fervent gleam of seeing millions of their fellow Americans fall into poverty, begging at some church’s door for food and shelter, while their true constituents, the elite billionaires, drink champaign, toasting their war-profits.

jomoco

Social Security and Medicare are “social safety nets” not trampolines. They are intended to catch and save people on the brink of disaster, not something to build a lifestyle around.

 

[estesbob]

They’re called Social Security and Medicaid, grannies and poor folk in the millions depend on them to keep from starving and beggary.

They are American programs, legislated legally into law.

And neocons like cantor and boehner are literally foaming at their mouths in anticipation of drastically cutting back both these programs.

You can see it in their eyes, that fervent gleam of seeing millions of their fellow Americans fall into poverty, begging at some church’s door for food and shelter, while their true constituents, the elite billionaires, drink champaign, toasting their war-profits.

jomoco

They’re called Jobs and people in the millions depend on them to keep from starving and beggary.

*They are American jobs , provided by hard working businessmen.**And pinko commies like Obama and Pelosi are literally foaming at their mouths in anticipation of destroying these businesses and the jobs they create. *

*You can see it in their eyes, that fervent gleam of seeing millions of their fellow Americans fall into poverty, begging at some church’s door for food and shelter, while their true constituents, the liberal elite , drink $10 a cup coffee , attend hollywood premiers and mock those who work for a living *

 

[bbarrick8383]

There is no such thing as “shared sacrifice”. Sacrifice is a deeply personal, individual responsibility. This phrase gets right at the heart of Obama and the liberals. They don’t see people, they see groups that they can exploit on behalf of other “victim” groups.

I dunno, wouldnt a suicidal cult be kinda like shared sacrifice?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

They’re called Jobs and people in the millions depend on them to keep from starving and beggary.

*They are American jobs , provided by hard working businessmen.**And pinko commies like Obama and Pelosi are literally foaming at their mouths in anticipation of destroying these businesses and the jobs they create. *

*You can see it in their eyes, that fervent gleam of seeing millions of their fellow Americans fall into poverty, begging at some church’s door for food and shelter, while their true constituents, the liberal elite , drink $10 a cup coffee , attend hollywood premiers and mock those who work for a living *

Awesome!

 

[jomoco]

Awesome!

So Jesus would side with cantor, boehner and norquist in the opinion of you good catholic men I gather?

jomoco

 

[kimmielittle]

Was the question too hard?
Do you fear answering?

 

[bbarrick8383]

So Jesus would side with cantor, boehner and norquist in the opinion of you good catholic men I gather?

jomoco

I think your biggest mistake is trying to equate a perfect man to an imperfect system in hopes that the system will be able to perform the miracles that Jesus did. Jesus was about the individual, not the politician.

 

[Carlan]

It seems quite obvious to me, that anyone who has even a slight inkling of real American history, can clean the floor, then wax it, with any pinko commie sycophant’s attempts to rewrite history to suit their sick psychosis’ as expressed in the form of nancy pelois, Barrack obama and george soros. Where did the idea of ending a a depression by raising taxes orginate my friends? Think back, you can do it, just 2 short years ago, a pinko commie idea, unprecedented in our history as a nation.

What a dreadful insult to the elected leaders of our country.
Where would you say starting and maintaining two very costly wars, lasting now almost 10years and with no end insight came from ,with no question about how to pay for it, we are still in hock.
And please, for heaven sake don’t spin it!
I remember our then President rallying the nation to go out and spend! spend! spend!
Not to sacrifice and buy war bonds! How??? Just let the future take care of itself,Talk about handing on debt! But NO, HAVE YOU NOT HEARD ABOUT THE SPIOLS OF WAR…LIKE ALL THAT OIL IN IRAQ…HA!HA!
Peace, and I pray! Carlan

 

[Carlan]

MORAL CRITERIA FOR GOVERNMENT BUDGETARY DECISIONS.
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This from my store of quotes, Just a reminder…

Anyone who really cares about the poor should have no problem adopting the framework set forth by the Bishops of three moral criteria that should guide budgetary decisions:
THE BISHOPS SAY….

1. Every budget decision should be assessed by whether it protects or threatens human life and dignity.
2. A central moral measure of any budget proposal is how it affects “the least of these” (Matthew 25). The needs of those who are hungry and homeless, without work or in poverty should come first.
3. Government and other institutions have a shared responsibility to promote the common good of all, especially ordinary workers and families who struggle to live in dignity in difficult economic times.
   It has been said over and over again by the people you so oppose. our present elected administrative leaders,

Peace, Carlan

 

[bbarrick8383]

What a dreadful insult to the elected leaders of our country.
Where would you say starting and maintaining two very costly wars, lasting now almost 10years and with no end insight came from ,with no question about how to pay for it, we are still in hock.
And please, for heaven sake don’t spin it!
I remember our then President rallying the nation to go out and spend! spend! spend!
Not to sacrifice and buy war bonds! How??? Just let the future take care of itself,Talk about handing on debt! But NO, HAVE YOU NOT HEARD ABOUT THE SPIOLS OF WAR…LIKE ALL THAT OIL IN IRAQ…HA!HA!
Peace, and I pray! Carlan

Bush isn’t running for President anymore.

Maybe one day, you will have Jeb, but who knows.

Oh, tax increases do not mean revenue increases. So complaining about cutting taxes when the revenue increased after doing so is pointless.