Obama Admin knew millions could not keep their health ins.

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I think it’s fair to mention too that ACA provides plenty of preventative services which are listed on the website. I don’t want to lie but I believe they are free.

healthcare.gov/what-are-my-preventive-care-benefits/#part=1

Note that the only mention of abortion is in the exclusion of it on page 2
You do understand that things which are offered at no charge to the consumer of them must still be paid for? How many will receive “free” screening and preventation care *which they don’t need? *How many of these things are *already part of regular office visits? *How many are due to life-style choices?
8.Contraception: Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling, as prescribed by a health care provider for women with reproductive capacity (not including abortifacient drugs). This does not apply to health plans sponsored by certain exempt “religious employers.”
Did you know they have defined “religious employers” so narrowly that most Catholic employers are required to pay for these evils?
 
Obama’s apology: “I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me.”

This “apology” doesn’t make any sense–it is completely devoid of meaning.
In other words - “I’m sorry I got caught and you’re all now mad at me.”
 
Another cancer patient loses his NON-junk insurance policy under ACA

Bill Elliott has cancer and is going to dicontinue treatment. He was paying $180/mo for uis insurance; now he will have to pay $1500/mo with a $13,000 deductible. This is too much of a financial birden for his family and so, he says, he will pay the fine, if he survives that long.
One question I would ask is this: How sustainable was a $180/mo premium to begin with? Don’t a lot of car insurance policies entice you with a low rate to switch you over, then increase it a year later, much more if you get an accident? I know for a long-time Fortis was offering a short-term health insurance policy, but it (and the actuarial tables) were designed to be short-term only and it was stated upfront. People knew that as they were pursuing a more long-range policy.

And the other question is that how much of that $1500/mo is eligible for the subsidy?
 
I was able to see the deductibles for Texas, and it disturbs me that they are so high. Barring serious illness, I don’t see my family meeting those deductibles, so coinsurance matters a great deal. The coinsurance percentages also don’t tell as much as might be imagined either. To make accurate comparisons, one would need at least some concrete examples for one or two common services. In other words, 70/30 of X does not really say much unless one knows where X lies now, as compared to what X used to be.
So what is the point of having insurance if you have to have a 2nd insurance to make the 1st insurance work for you? Seems kinda dumb to me.
 
How many will receive “free” screening and preventation care which they don’t need?
How do they know this ahead of time? One of the reasons people are surviving cancers and living longer generally is that many of these diseases are caught early on.

On a related note, how many needed the Salk vaccine in the 50’s? Most of the states mandated that everyone gets a preventative series of shots and polio was virtually eliminated. (I know polio is starting to show its face in Syria and other countries but maybe they should be taking some lessons.)
 
The deductibles don’t seem to be listed (or rather I didn’t see them anywhere)

Insurance vs insured costs are given as averages, so the insurance company would pay an avg of 60% of costs for Bronze plans.

Bronze - 60/40
Silver - 70/30
Gold - 80/20
Platinum - 90/10

Any policy not purchase through the exchange would not qualify for the subsidy.
I would like to see where the totals came from. I saw a story about a couple who got on estimate on what it would cost them on the exchange but when they completed the paperwork found it was double that. The problem is a total lack of trust. When you have been lied to repeatedly its hard to trust anything they put out.
 
So what is the point of having insurance if you have to have a 2nd insurance to make the 1st insurance work for you? Seems kinda dumb to me.
But is almost universal for those on medicare. Medi-gap policies are quite common and make up the difference between what medicare pays and what you are charged.
 
So what is the point of having insurance if you have to have a 2nd insurance to make the 1st insurance work for you? Seems kinda dumb to me.
That’s how Medicare works, either through Medicare Supplement or Medicare Advantage. AARP and AFLAC also offer supplemental insurance on a per diem benefit basis.
 
One question I would ask is this: How sustainable was a $180/mo premium to begin with?
According to what he said, he has been being treated for cancer under his insurance policy, which cost $180/mo. Since he made no mention of premium hikes or anything like that, it seems that he was paying the same amount all along.
Don’t a lot of car insurance policies entice you with a low rate to switch you over, then increase it a year later, much more if you get an accident?
I have never actually heard of the first practice, and I’ve held quite a few policies over the years.

If you do something which gets you put into a higher-risk category, then your rates go up, and from time to time, like everything else, one’s rates go up normally and under the supervision of the state insurance board.
I know for a long-time Fortis was offering a short-term health insurance policy, but it (and the actuarial tables) were designed to be short-term only and it was stated upfront. People knew that as they were pursuing a more long-range policy.
And what does this have to do with anything? A short-term policy is not a rip-off–it’s for people who need it short-term.
And the other question is that how much of that $1500/mo is eligible for the subsidy?
What difference does this make? One way or the other, *someone *will pay for it, no?
And the other question is that how much of that $1500/mo is eligible for the subsidy?
Amazing as it may sound, 1. some people do not take into consideration what they themselves will get out of something, they also consider the effects on those around them; and 2. other people would prefer *not *being *forced *into a position where they *must *accept government aid, esp when previous to a poorly-designed law they had been able to manage without it.
 
What difference does this make? One way or the other, *someone *will pay for it, no?
Yes, but you don’t want them to go into bankruptcy, meaning the doctors and hospitals won’t get paid for their services and have to eat the costs.
 
I would like to see where the totals came from. I saw a story about a couple who got on estimate on what it would cost them on the exchange but when they completed the paperwork found it was double that. The problem is a total lack of trust. When you have been lied to repeatedly its hard to trust anything they put out.
That is one of the reasons I have no intention of playing their game.

I have had people get really mad at me because I have no intention of buying insurance. Even had a priest tell me that people who don’t buy insurance should just be left to suffer and die without medical care. I am a horrible rotten no-good very bad person because I won’t do what the all mighty government deems best for me.

I can make my own decisions and if they aren’t honest and upfront about the products they are pushing then I want no part of it.
 
That is one of the reasons I have no intention of playing their game.

I have had people get really mad at me because I have no intention of buying insurance. Even had a priest tell me that people who don’t buy insurance should just be left to suffer and die without medical care. I am a horrible rotten no-good very bad person because I won’t do what the all mighty government deems best for me.

I can make my own decisions and if they aren’t honest and upfront about the products they are pushing then I want no part of it.
Thus far my policy has been grandfathered in. I wont check the exchange for fear of my private information being compromised and for fear I will find the policies aren’t what they are cracked up to be and then cant get back into my old policy. When you sale a program with a lie its hard to regain peoples trust
 
Yes, but you don’t want them to go into bankruptcy, meaning the doctors and hospitals won’t get paid for their services and have to eat the costs.
So you think a policy that only pays 60% of costs is going to prevent bankruptices?
 
How do they know this ahead of time? One of the reasons people are surviving cancers and living longer generally is that many of these diseases are caught early on.
Yes, some are related to that, but many of them are related to lifestyle *choices, *such as all the tests for STDs, alcohol abuse, etc.

Others are already included in “packages,” I don’t know how that will work out.

And some, like obesity and blood pressure, are already normally performed at every visit.
On a related note, how many needed the Salk vaccine in the 50’s? Most of the states mandated that everyone gets a preventative series of shots and polio was virtually eliminated. (I know polio is starting to show its face in Syria and other countries but maybe they should be taking some lessons.)
Yes, and most of these shots have long been available for free at county health clinics.
 
Yes, but you don’t want them to go into bankruptcy, meaning the doctors and hospitals won’t get paid for their services and have to eat the costs.
My comment was directly related to your questioning whether the man was eligible for subsidies and went to who would pay for the insurance premiums.

There were parts of the country where a healthy young man could get insurance for $180/mo. And there are insurance companies which follow through on their agreements and pay out when needed. The system was working for this man, at a cost which he was able to handle.

Now, despite Obama’s selling the plan as one which would allow people to keep their plans, keep their doctors, and *reduce their premiums! *–remember those promises?–this man is left without affordable insurance at a time when he really needs it, and when he had already had it, because however much of a subsidy he gets, the $13,000 may be more than he and his family can afford.
 
That is one of the reasons I have no intention of playing their game.

I have had people get really mad at me because I have no intention of buying insurance. Even had a priest tell me that people who don’t buy insurance should just be left to suffer and die without medical care. I am a horrible rotten no-good very bad person because I won’t do what the all mighty government deems best for me.

I can make my own decisions and if they aren’t honest and upfront about the products they are pushing then I want no part of it.
To be fair, most priests have no idea of how family finances work. When I was a college seminarian, the rector freaked out because I had an economics course through the college’s experimental honors program. He later became a bishop and talked about how our families treated our servants for his example of economic justice. As far as I know, his family was the only one in the chapel whose family ever had servants at home. He may have had good intentions, but he was clueless about financial matters.

I have been without health insurance for all but 6 months since 1994. For more than two decades before that, I had fully paid insurance through employers and never used it even once. The premiums for individual policies I looked at periodically were priced way too high for someone with low risks. I have always saved part of my earnings and earned an investment return higher that what insurance companies earn, so I have saved enough to pay my own costs for normal health problems. In less than six months I can get Medicare and you hard working younger people will be stuck with me. Then I can get as sick as I want.:rolleyes:

The point of all this is that I agree with you and not the horribly misinformed priest. Insurance is only one of the responsible ways to pay for medical care.

When was the last time you heard this priest talk about the sinfulness of gluttony and other anti-life behaviors that raise the cost of health care for everyone else? I have only heard the word gluttony used from the pulpit once in the last 40 years, and that was from one our African priests on his last Sunday in our parish. Imagine if you can the cultural shock of coming from a place where people suffer and die from not having enough to eat to a place where people suffer and die from eating too much.
 
Obama knew, of course.

But what did the American bishops know and when did they know it?
 
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