Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

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National Polls, State Polls, and Democrat Turnout
So none of the national polls are presuming 2008-level turnout for Democrats (at least without throwing in Democrat-leaning independents), while a large chunk of the state-level ones are. In this light, it’s not all that surprising that Romney’s showing a lead in most national polls while trailing in a bunch of the key swing states
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Breaking Down the Campaign Travel Math

The Romney conference call

Just another “Woah, Romney is doing well with indies” post

The GOP’s Sandy dilemma

Who can fix political gridlock? Poll favours Romney

Colorado early voting stats through yesterday

Republican 439269, democrat 404870, independent 295122
 
BroomWagon said:
So from the get-go, you are okaying breaking the rules so your point of view does not seem valid. Your stance is noble in defending others, however I think stalkers and potential stalkers do not deserve a break and should not be making other people pay for their crimes and should acknowledge this. Stalking is a Predatory Act. Forcing certain things into discussion could be predatory in itself as well as intimidating. It also puts others who are respectful of others into a risky situation. No one is already starting things by being way way off topic. If one is not doing this in the first place, not respecting the rules for everyone, their motives are already dubious. Your point of view from the get-go is okaying the breaking of rules from some people so your view does not seem valid and okaying the breaking of rules could be okaying wrongs against other people. Wrongs that indeed, may not even be legal but oh boy, when others act out of line when their is provocation.

So to conclude, your judgment is not valid because you are okaying someone who is bending and possibly breaking the rules to begin with. Let alone if intentional, may not even be legal. And if intentional towards someone, then someone has to live with being wrongfully criminally abused!
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You really need to a grip. I am not OK-ing the idea of drifting the thread by going off topic, but to suggest that people are breaking the law or enabling stalkers and predatory behavior is ridiculous in the extreme, and it is well past time for you to stop. A person cannot stalk themselves, and it is not illegal.
 
jwinch2 said:
A person cannot stalk themselves, and it is not illegal.
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911 what is your emergency?

I am being followed by a dark man!!!

Sir, can you describe him?

Yes, he’s about my height, he moves along the ground and copies my every move!!!

Sir - is this your shadow?

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SamH said:
911 what is your emergency?

I am being followed by a dark man!!!

Sir, can you describe him?

Yes, he’s about my height, he moves along the ground and copies my every move!!!

Sir - is this your shadow?

🤷
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markomalley said:
DIed in the wool Obamabots quickly earn a place on my “ignore” list (a really neat feature of the CAF software, by the way). There is no sense in attempting to have an intelligent conversation with them.

On the other hand, a person who is left-of-center for reasons of personal conviction and can defend his position with both logic and facts can make for an interesting discussion (even if there is little hope of him convincing me or me convincing him).

Ringil is in the second category.
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He’s honestly trying to understand another point of view and honestly trying to present his point of view. He engages in conversation rather than making strawman arguments. :tiphat:
 
Tampa_Dave said:
"The Romney campaign and conservative super PACs like American Crossroads and Restore our Future have begun purchasing airtime in Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, a move that Obama campaign manager Jim Messina Tuesday called a “desperate play.”

*Then why is the Obama campaign buttressing up its ad blitz and appearances in supposedly solidly ‘blue’ Pennsylvania?
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McCain did the same thing in 08…didn’t work then,likely won’t work now.

John
 
Tampa_Dave said:
"The Romney campaign and conservative super PACs like American Crossroads and Restore our Future have begun purchasing airtime in Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, a move that Obama campaign manager Jim Messina Tuesday called a “desperate play.”

*Then why is the Obama campaign buttressing up its ad blitz and appearances in supposedly solidly ‘blue’ Pennsylvania?
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The Obama campaign would be pretty stupid to ignore any state which is remotely close and with such important states as PA and MI I would totally expect him to make a showing there.
 
jwinch2 said:
You really need to a grip. I am not OK-ing the idea of drifting the thread by going off topic, but to suggest that people are breaking the law or enabling stalkers and predatory behavior is ridiculous in the extreme, and it is well past time for you to stop. A person cannot stalk themselves, and it is not illegal.
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I don’t know what to say, Jason. I’ve never seen anything like this at sports forums for MLB baseball or NCAA college football. Threads in any forum are often derailed by lighthearted banter about inane subjects like Scotch, cigars, etc., but discussion inevitably returns to the subject matter of the thread. As it has here.
 
ringil said:
The Obama campaign would be pretty stupid to ignore any state which is remotely close and with such important states as PA and MI I would totally expect him to make a showing there.
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I welcome the thought of Obama spending more ad money in ‘blue’ states. That’s so much less he can devote to swing states. 🙂
 
Tampa_Dave said:
I welcome the thought of Obama spending more ad money in ‘blue’ states. That’s so much less he can devote to swing states. 🙂
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Obama’s got the ground game in OH. This is super important.

FL is also super important but I wont be surprised if the GOP takes FL as I believe they have run some shenanigans down there and would again. There must be something about the process in FL which makes fraud more doable.
 
Tampa_Dave said:
I’ve always been worried about winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote. It could happen, oldcelt.
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It’s even happened that a candidate won both the popular vote and the electoral vote, and still lost the election. Gilliam posted a thread about some instances where that occurred in the past.
 
ringil said:
Obama’s got the ground game in OH. This is super important.

FL is also super important but I wont be surprised if the GOP takes FL as I believe they have run some shenanigans down there and would again. There must be something about the process in FL which makes fraud more doable.
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But no Democratic fraud in Florida? Didn’t I hear something about letters being sent to GOP voters suggesting their citizenship and voting ability was in question? And certain voting machines indicating votes for Obama when Romney’s name was entered?
 
Tampa_Dave said:
But no Democratic fraud in Florida? Didn’t I hear something about letters being sent to GOP voters suggesting their citizenship and voting ability was in question? And certain voting machines indicating votes for Obama when Romney’s name was entered?
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How many such supposedly Dem letters were sent?
 
Tampa_Dave said:
I’ve always been worried about winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote. It could happen, oldcelt.
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To be honest Dave, I think it is quite possible that the President will lose the popular vote, but take the Electoral College. In fact, I think that’s what the polls are showing.

John
 
oldcelt said:
To be honest Dave, I think it is quite possible that the President will lose the popular vote, but take the Electoral College. In fact, I think that’s what the polls are showing.

John
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And, we’d be living through such a unique piece of history! 🙂
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
And, we’d be living through such a unique piece of history! 🙂
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Just a reflection of how polarized our country is I think…if it happens it will be twice in 12 years. Of course, we’ll have to go through the electoral college debate again…

John
 
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