Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

[Tampa_Dave]

I’d rather hang out with an atheist than an Evangelical any day of the week.

Interesting. I obviously have something in common with Evangelicals in terms of our mutual belief in God. In my personal experience, however, I have often found them to be somewhat self-righteous (but well-meaning) and virulently anti-Catholic. Atheists and agnostics have acted no differently than Catholics or other Protestants in normal social situations. Nor have they tried to thrust their views upon me, or attack my Catholic beliefs, unlike many Evangelicals I’ve known. Need I say how many times I’ve had Evangelicals tell me I’m going to Hell because I, as a Catholic, am not “saved”? While I’m speaking from my own personal experience, ringil, you may have a point.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Again, there is “Left” and there is the Democratic Party of the US. There is “right” and there is the GOP.

While the Democrats are more agents of a left-leaning direction and the GOP or a right-leaning direction, neither is the Left and the Right respectfully.

Those problems and leaders (hitler) come from big government. Big government can be either be right (Iran) or left (Venezuela, USSR) but neither accounts for freedom.

That is why must elect Constitutional conservatives with moral centers and not make excuses for our favorite party or politicians.

 

[ringil]

Interesting. I obviously have something in common with Evangelicals in terms of our mutual belief in God. In my personal experience, however, I have often found them to be somewhat self-righteous (but well-meaning) and virulently anti-Catholic. Atheists and agnostics have acted no differently than Catholics or other Protestants in normal social situations. Nor have they tried to thrust their views upon me, or attack my Catholic beliefs, unlike many Evangelicals I’ve known. Need I say how many times I’ve had Evangelicals tell me I’m going to Hell because I, as a Catholic, am not “saved”? While I’m speaking from my own personal experience, ringil, you may have a point.

Good point.

There are more militant atheists and to me, that’s just their own fundamentalism. I wouldn’t have such an individual as a friend.

I have a few atheist and agnostic friends and they know well that I am a practicing Catholic and no one has ever given me grief about it. We even talk religion at times and though we disagree, we remain civil.

I like to think it is my approach and my charity.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The GOP are not going to win the Senate.

It looks like from the latest polls and I have not looked at them all that republicans wins are probable for

Dean Heller, Jeff Flake, Rick Berg, Tommy Thompson, Deb Fischer and maybe Denny Rehberg

Ronald Reagon did not have a republican majority house in 8 years of him being president but he was able to get most of his economic plan passed by bipartisanship with conservative democrats

If republicans do not win a senate majority

Why Romney would succeed where Obama failed

….*f Romney wins in 2012, there will be up to ten Democratic senators from Romney states up for reelection in 2014. They are:

Mark Begich in Alaska
Mark Pryor in Arkansas (+27 Romney according to RCP*)
Mark Udall in Colorado
Tom Harkin in Iowa
Mary Landrieu in Louisiana (+23 Romney according to RCP)
Max Baucus in Montana (+9 Romney according to RCP)
Kay Hagan in North Carolina
Tim Johnson in South Dakota (+5 Romney according to RCP)
Mark Warner in Virginia
Jay Rockefeller in West Virginia (+21 Romney according to RCP)

Not all of these Democrats will face tough elections in 2014. But many of these incumbents, like Baucus and Begch, are likely to work with a Romney administration anyway. Throw in the other Democrats from red states that have a well established history of crossing the aisle (Sens. Joe Manchin, W.V., Claire McCaskill, Mo., Ben Nelson, Fla.) and Romney will have plenty of conservative negotiating partners to work with…. if he gets elected.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I read Stephanie Cutter’s latest statement regarding the Des Moines Register’s endorsement of Romney at HuffPo, of all places: “We feel good. There is momentum. There is movement out there with people wanting a second term of an Obama presidency. We feel good about where we are.” We’ll see, Stephanie.

 

[estesbob]

Perhaps the -]GOP/-] Democrat Party will move away from the -]white, middle America, and bible-belt evangelicals/-] **far left, homosexual and abortion apologists, anti-religious zealots and radical feminists **who have hijacked their parties constituency and focus.

One thing I am sure of. The-] GOP/-] ** Democra**t Establishment establishment is not going to allow itself to be “bred” out. THey will alter their message to keep their standing as one of the 2 party system.

Fixed

 

[Cider]

Evangelicals are fellow Christians. As Catholics we may not agree with not everything theologically but we still part of a Christian family

How you can you compare the largest abortion agency in the US to an entire group of Christians?

Yes, I can’t comprehend why someone who is Catholic would rather associate with atheists than other Christians.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

As a native of Lake County, Ohio, I’m fascinated with the pivotal role it plays in presidential politics as the bellwether of the Ohio statewide vote.

A 2008 analysis of Ohio presidential election results from 1960 to 2004 found that no other county more closely follows the statewide Ohio voting pattern than Lake County, situated along Ohio’s northeastern shore. Lake County doesn’t always vote with the winner, but consistently is closer to the winner’s Ohio vote percentage than any other Ohio county.

Per the 2010 census, the racial makeup of the county was 95.40% White, 1.99% Black or African American, 0.11% Native American, 0.90% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.66% from other races, and 0.92% from two or more races. 1.70% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

Lake County voted Republican in the two presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, but went Democratic in 2008. This is how the race broke down in 2008:

Lake County
McCain 59,142 votes
McCain Pct 48.7%
Obama 60,155 votes
Obama Pct 49.6%

Will Lake County mirror another Obama victory in 2012? I have no idea.

I apologize if this post on one microscopic area of America’s electoral map is boring or of no consequence to CA fans. I saw two editorials on national television networks, so it captured my fancy.

 

[markomalley]

From Big Journalism:
On the Sunday, October 28 edition of ABC’s This Week, Andrew Sullivan of The Daily Beast claimed that Obama might lose this election because the whole south is filled with racists that are somehow just like the Old Confederacy. As George Will noted, according to Sullivan all the whites that were not racist in 2008 suddenly are racist in 2012.

In a discussion of the “racial gap” in this year’s election, Sullivan declared all southerners to be racists and are sliding back into the civil war. “If Virginia and Florida go back to the Republicans, it’s the Confederacy, entirely. You put the map of the civil war over this electoral map you got the civil war,” he said.

George Will correctly dismissed Sullivan’s ranting as poppycock. Will noted that Democrats have been steadily losing the white vote since 1964 and that it has nothing to do with Barack Obama being black.

You can read the ABC transcript yourself here.

If (oh, by the way white) liberals like Sullivan would not have been pulling the race card each and every time that even the very slightest criticism of Obama had received since the beginning of 2007, comments like this might have a little meaning. At this point, they are just vapid drivel.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Interesting. I obviously have something in common with Evangelicals in terms of our mutual belief in God. In my personal experience, however, I have often found them to be somewhat self-righteous (but well-meaning) and virulently anti-Catholic. Atheists and agnostics have acted no differently than Catholics or other Protestants in normal social situations. Nor have they tried to thrust their views upon me, or attack my Catholic beliefs, unlike many Evangelicals I’ve known. Need I say how many times I’ve had Evangelicals tell me I’m going to Hell because I, as a Catholic, am not “saved”? While I’m speaking from my own personal experience, ringil, you may have a point.

Just so. I personally have never had an atheist try to push his beliefs on me, but Evangelicals? Hah! Some have told me that Catholicism is no less a cult than is Mormoniism, and have urged me to leave the Whore of Babylon for the sake of my soul.

Not all, of course, but the real believers, so I can say that I too am more comfortable with atheists than Evangeicals because I am not challenged about my faith. as a major topic of conversation.

 

[ManOnFire]

I just recently discovered Obama’s poem “Pop.” He wrote it when he was 19 and it was published at Occidental. Wow. What an eye opener.

 

[ishii]

I can see how that would be confusing- a comparison was not my intent. I do not see them as comparable in a sense of amount of damage but as a type of damage to society.

PP is an evil organization. Evangelical Protestantism is deeply flawed.

But see my above posts as to how Fundamentalism, to me, is more than about denying Evolution and seeking to spread a denial of Evolution.

Thanks for the clarification. I agree that Evangelical Protestantism is deeply flawed - theologically. Many of the things they do bother me, such as going on “missions” to countries that are 99% Catholic. But on many issues they are spot on and stalwart allies with the Catholic Church: such as, sanctity of life and sanctity of marriage - for starters. When you reflect that the secular left is out to replace the authority of the Catholic Church with that of the authority of the government (because the Catholic church is at odds with the goals of the secular left) then you will welcome allies in the fight - however flawed those allies may be. I realize you probably disagree with that last point, but it should help you understand where I’m coming from.

Ishii

 

[_Abyssinia]

Romney Rally in Minnesota? May be in the works . . . .

Newspapers Endorsing Romney After Endorsing Obama in 2008

Economic Model Predicts Narrow Romney Victory

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Romney Rally in Minnesota? May be in the works . . . .

Newspapers Endorsing Romney After Endorsing Obama in 2008

Economic Model Predicts Narrow Romney Victory

I read all three articles, Abyssinia. Very good, as usual. I really appreciate your steady posts of the latest news on the election. Great sources!

David

 

[Cider]

From Big Journalism:

On the Sunday, October 28 edition of ABC’s This Week, Andrew Sullivan of The Daily Beast claimed that Obama might lose this election because the whole south is filled with racists that are somehow just like the Old Confederacy. As George Will noted, according to Sullivan all the whites that were not racist in 2008 suddenly are racist in 2012.

In a discussion of the “racial gap” in this year’s election, Sullivan declared all southerners to be racists and are sliding back into the civil war. “If Virginia and Florida go back to the Republicans, it’s the Confederacy, entirely. You put the map of the civil war over this electoral map you got the civil war,” he said.
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Does he not know that the Democrat party was the party of the South during those years?​

 

[markomalley]

Does he not know that the Democrat party was the party of the South during those years?

Shhhhh.

Don’t confuse the rhetoric with facts.

 

[CMatt25]

I find CNN to be quite balanced. Especially of late.

I don’t watch MSNBC or FOX because I don’t like partisan news but CNN just doesn’t seem to me to be biased as many here claim. Maybe they havent been watching lately.

I agree CNN has been quite balanced. Maybe they haven’t been watching.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

I’m Republican, but I listen to Andrew Sullivan as much as I do Sean Hannity. Pretty much never! I like reasonable discourse by responsible individuals when considering important issues. Unfortunately, such discourse is generally lacking among all news networks.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Does he not know that the Democrat party was the party of the South during those years?

It’s the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party, just as it is the Republican Party, not the Republic Party. Use the adjective, not the noun.

 

[markomalley]

From Big Government


A massive and historic storm is barreling towards the beltway this weekend. The entire DC-NYC axis, headquarters of the left media complex, will suffer the effects of three storm-fronts, converging at the same time. Evacuations may be ordered, but it is likely too late. No, I’m not talking about Hurricane Sandy. The storm I mean is the growing realization that Obama is on the cusp of losing the election. But, with just a little over a week to go, it may be too late to hit the panic button.

Democrats and the media have labored under several false assumptions the entire campaign. They wove these into a narrative that Obama’s reelection was inevitable. It may have helped them sleep at night, but it caused them to miss the teutonic plates shifting beneath the election. This weekend three storm-fronts started converging that will sweep their assumptions away. Let’s look at each in turn.

The first storm-front is the expanding campaign battleground. I’ve long noted that which states become competitive towards the end of the race can tell you a lot about the state of the campaign. In 2008, when “red” states like Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina and Montana suddenly became competitive, it was a clear sign that Obama had a huge momentum advantage. This year, however, it is “blue” states becoming competitive. In the final week, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota are emerging as new battleground states. If Romney’s position is improving in states like these, its a good sign that he slated to win states like Florida, Colorado, Virginia and Ohio.
I’m not nearly as optimistic as Mr. Flynn (the author); I will feel far more optimistic on November 7th.