Obama and Romney Hit the Final Stretch PT 2

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If God were** involved** in elections, Hitler would never have been elected (he was, he didn’t just seize power) and in America, God would not have permitted pro-abortion politicians to have been elected and for that curse on our country to remain. And, He would have seen to it that “the right choice” in accordance with His will would always win.

Being a Deist or a Catholic has nothing to do with it IMO. Deists don’t care about abortion, so you can’t shift blame onto them.

My prayer vis-a-vis elections is that they be conducted honestly and that we do not have strife or riots, etc. in their aftermath.
You have a messed up idea of what God’s “involvement” means. It does not mean he controls us like puppets. He does give us free will, but that does not mean he is hands off. That is a Deist viewpoint…in fact, it is the very definition of Deism.
 
Precisely. God knows that events will take place, I just don’t believe that He controls any of it.

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He has in the past. He sent His Son, for one thing. He created Eve. Lots of control.

Not to mention, every Saint who has been canonized has had verifiable miracles FROM GOD through the Saint’s intervention performed. By definition, these are God’s intervention.
 
But, He is bound by some things. He cannot make a square circle, e.g.

And, He cannot change His perfect, omniscient mind. If He changed His mind, that would mean that His original decision was less than perfect, making Him less than perfect. You have some priest friends, Christine. Run that by them. They’ll agree that perfection can’t be modified. 🙂
Rich I believe you are placing human limitations on God; this is the failings of trying to intellectually “know” God. We do not have the intellect to understand God. God is bound by nothing. I would also bet that He could make a square circle, He is God, He created all shapes. Feel like I am replacing Big Bird!!!

He is not changing His mind, neither is He changing people’s actions in an election; but through the love of God and His church, hearts are being changed. When a person comes to see the truth about God’s teachings, something amazing happens; their stony heart is replaced with a heart of flesh which is open to His ways. Did God control the person? Not at all, He presented Himself through another person or scripture and the person accepted His truth rather than the liberal truth or conservative truth.

Truth is truth, it is not found in the republican or democrat party. It is found in the Catholic Church.

The plan of God has been laid since the beginning of time; we are just participants in that plan. We can choose to live in the Spirit or we can choose to live of the world. It’s our choice.
 
I have made no assumptions, your posts speak for themselves.

Many people do not believe in the devil.
You don’t know what I believe. I’m not going to dignify your theological accusations with my views.
 
Here, but I first learned that studying Theology and Philosophy at Fordham - four years worth. As an aside, we had to wear academic robes when we attended those classes - a throwback to medieval times!
Were you in Gryffindor or Slitheren?
 
Sometimes God allows that we do not want because He knows we need it. He will also spare a nation if but one good person exists.
Yes, God “allows,” but doesn’t always direct.
To assert it page after page begins to come off as demeaning those who do see it as useful, including posters, here, the Bishops, ETWN, most of our Churches, and families.
I do find it useful myself and do pray. I say the Rosary several times a week. But, I don’t see prayer necessarily as others do. I don’t ever ask God to change His mind because that is impossible. His perfection means that what He wills and does is always perfect, and therefore immutable.
 
For those clinging to a shred of “hope” in Obama: Do you know that Justice Dept. documents reveal a surge of non-competitive bid jobs available to dwarfs, schizophrenics, and those with “severe intellectual disabilities”.
Why, one may ask? Because if Obama loses, he knows that anyone hired under the Americans with Disabilities Act may not be fired. So, he is putting in place as many career appointees as possible to undermine a new administration. Can you say “lawless fiends”, boys and girls? They’ve thought of EVERYTHING to undermine our great country! :eek:
Sounds like a cabinet meeting.
 
Seems they may have moved in with a lady named, ‘Snow White’. :rolleyes:

Seriously, do you think he’s conceding the election now?

People have chosen so many ‘biased’ stories, that cannot be classified as news with a straight face, just as long as it reflected poorly on the other candidate. For me, it just takes away any credibility that may have existed. I am not totally stupid and think all people should be offended at some of the things that have been passed off as ‘news’.
I wish Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the closing of US oil rigs while subsidizing Mexico’s and Brazil’s, and endless other abuses of power were jokes. When you think you’ve seen everything the scurrilous leftists could possibly do, there’s something else even worse. Don’t believe it? pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/21/justice-department-recruits-dwarfs/ Rob P.S. NO, it ain’t “over”, to answer your question.
 
Rich I believe you are placing human limitations on God; this is the failings of trying to intellectually “know” God. We do not have the intellect to understand God. God is bound by nothing. I would also bet that He could make a square circle,
There are some limitations on God. He cannot save the Devil, e.g. He is bound by His own rules. No, he could not square a circle else it would not be a square nor a circle.
He is not changing His mind, neither is He changing people’s actions in an election; but through the love of God and His church, hearts are being changed.
EXACTLY! God is not the actor, men are the actors when hearts are being changed. We are NOT Muslims who believe that all is the (positive) will of God. We can reject even the plainest truth.
Truth is truth, it is not found in the republican or democrat party. It is found in the Catholic Church.
Precisely!
The plan of God has been laid since the beginning of time; we are just participants in that plan. We can choose to live in the Spirit or we can choose to live of the world. It’s our choice.
And God will not stop you from being good or evil. Yes!
 
I wish Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the closing of US oil rigs while subsidizing Mexico’s and Brazil’s, and endless other abuses of power were jokes. When you think you’ve seen everything the scurrilous leftists could possibly do, there’s yet something else. Don’t believe it? pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/21/justice-department-recruits-dwarfs/ Rob
No, I do not believe it. Your first post stated it was for the intention of undermining a new administration. This would be a concession of the election. Note the dates of those biased, conspiracy, ‘articles’; August 22, 2012. That means he was out to undermine a new administration before the first debate even.

There are real issues, that should be discussed. Somethings are dishonest, purely for the purposes of partisanship, and have no place in a Christian discussion, in my opinion.
 
Harry Potter, they all wore the robes too. Just made me picture it.
Thanks. Never read the books nor seen the movies.

We wore short academic robes to Theology and Philosophy classes, precisely to tie ourselves to medieval scholarship. When I was in high school, the teachers wore academic robes, but not the kids.
 
He has in the past. He sent His Son, for one thing. He created Eve. Lots of control.
Senting the Christ is not control. What would He have been controlling? He created Eve, He didn’t create her and then think, “Hmmm. I can do better. I’ll create another similar creature.”
Not to mention, every Saint who has been canonized has had verifiable miracles FROM GOD through the Saint’s intervention performed. By definition, these are God’s intervention.
Those did not involve God changing His own mind. Curing the blind and the deaf involve that outside God, not Himself. Keep in mind that whatever the miracle was, it did not involve the reversal of something God Himself did.
 
No, I do not believe it. Your first post stated it was for the intention of undermining a new administration. This would be a concession of the election. Note the dates of those biased, conspiracy, ‘articles’; August 22, 2012. That means he was out to undermine a new administration before the first debate even.

There are real issues, that should be discussed. Somethings are dishonest, purely for the purposes of partisanship, and have no place in a Christian discussion, in my opinion.
No PS1, what happened only illustrates that the ruthless Obama goons put a plan in place to undermine Mitt Romney, should he win. Nothing about conceding all that power. If you think that the left would ever concede one inch of power, let alone the entire Executive Branch, you are misguided. Maybe you have a better explanation for what happened at “Justice”. But maybe you, like Holder, also believe that the Black Panthers were only standing at polling places with weapons in 2008 to guide confused people to the voting machines, and NOT to intimidate! 😊
 
Senting the Christ is not control. What would He have been controlling? He created Eve, He didn’t create her and then think, “Hmmm. I can do better. I’ll create another similar creature.”

Those did not involve God changing His own mind. Curing the blind and the deaf involve that outside God, not Himself. Keep in mind that whatever the miracle was, it did not involve the reversal of something God Himself did.
They are all signs of God intervening in nature. That’s the point. Eve wasn’t born naturally; she was created. Christ was not born - He was sent to us from heaven. Miracles that are verified are proof of divine intervention as far as the Church is concerned.

No one said anything about changing His mind. He simply CAN insert Himself, and has.
 
No PS1, what happened only illustrates that the ruthless Obama goons put a plan in place to undermine Mitt Romney, should he win. Nothing about conceding all that power. If you think that the left would ever concede one inch of power, let alone the entire Executive Branch, you are misguided. Maybe you have a better explanation for what happened at “Justice”. But maybe you also believe that the Black Panthers were only standing at polling places with weapons in 2008 to guide confused people to the voting machines, and NOT to intimidate! 😊
Did you hear Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks? :rolleyes:

There are real issues that can and should be discussed. When such conspiracies are brought in as ‘real’, it detracts from the real issues and takes away the credible stories by casting even more doubt on what’s real and what is not. In short, it probably hurts a position much more than it helps, and if it helps it’s through dishonest means.
 
There are some limitations on God. He cannot save the Devil, e.g. He is bound by His own rules. No, he could not square a circle else it would not be a square nor a circle.

EXACTLY! God is not the actor, men are the actors when hearts are being changed. We are NOT Muslims who believe that all is the (positive) will of God. We can reject even the plainest truth.

Precisely!

And God will not stop you from being good or evil. Yes!
Sometimes I wonder why we argue, we are almost saying the same exact thing, and we argue. Silly. However, we’ll have to agree to disagree on the shapes, God can change what ever He chooses and call it whatever He wants.
 
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