Obama and Romney hit the final stretch

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Rich_Olszewski said:
If it were all that simple, we wouldn’t have sincere Catholics wrestling with the various issues and wondering why the Church became a one issue church. My :twocents:
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 Rich, we have an incompetent socialist fraud in the WH, to be charitable to Obama. This Benghazi scandal is so huge, that if had occurred under a Republican, we'd have a 25-30 point victory for the Democrat. 
 Libya WARNED the WH about potential attacks on Sept. 8, Amb. Stevens pleaded for security, but Obama was unmoved. THEN, after the murders, during which Obama had also refused military support AFTER the attack began, he and others lied profusely, claiming that it was a protest gone awry. Some amateur video was responsible. At the UN on Sept. 25, two weeks AFTER the assassinations, Obama was still declaring that it was the video that triggered the killings. ***"The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam!"*** exclaimed Obama. And don't forget another massive scandal, when HUNDREDS were murdered by "Fast and Furious" weaponry sponsored by OUR government. The evidence against Obama here is so damning that he (Obama) had to illegally invoke executive privilege.
 No Rich, this election is much more than one issue. We have a congenital liar intent on destroying our system of government, and curbing our freedoms. He is a cold and ruthless man, and decent people have one final chance to stop him. Cordially, Rob
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
It really is that simple, though. The Church has spoken. Catholics, if they wish to remain Catholic, simply can not disobey on this issue.
They can choose not to vote at all, I suppose (although I would argue that they weren’t doing their civic duty, and that in close states their doing so might throw the election to Obama).
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There is something disconcerting about the fact that our Faith became one of a single issue. 🤷
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
Hate to break it to you but there will always be abortions. Voting wont do anything. This is why one issue voting is pointless.
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So the Church is wrong? The Lord said the poor will always be with us. By your rationale that removes the issue from our consideration when voting, right?
 
RACJ said:
Rich, we have an incompetent socialist fraud in the WH, to be charitable to Obama. This Benghazi scandal is so huge, that if had occurred under a Republican, we’d have a 25-30 point victory for the Democrat.
Libya WARNED the WH about potential attacks on Sept. 8, Amb. Stevens pleaded for security, but Obama was unmoved. THEN, after the murders, during which Obama had also refused military support AFTER the attack began, he and others lied profusely, claiming that it was a protest gone awry. Some amateur video was responsible. At the UN on Sept. 25, two weeks AFTER the assassinations, Obama was still declaring that it was the video that triggered the killings. “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam!” exclaimed Obama. And don’t forget another massive scandal, when HUNDREDS were murdered by “Fast and Furious” weaponry sponsored by OUR government. The evidence against Obama here is so damning that he (Obama) had to illegally invoke executive privilege.
No Rich, this election is much more than one issue. We have a congenital liar intent on destroying our system of government, and curbing our freedoms. He is a cold and ruthless man, and decent people have one final chance to stop him. Cordially, Rob
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Duly noted. Cordially, RO 🙂
 
estesbob said:
We can fight abortion and be engaged on other issues also. It is not an either or proposition.
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In your opinion, but I challenge any of the right-wingers to tell me which other issue could possibly match or outweigh the johnny one-notism of abortion. Yeah, I know - we would vote for a pro-abortionist over a candidate who intends to drop nukes on any country that isn’t our friend. I’m speaking of realistic scenarios, however.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
There is something disconcerting about the fact that our Faith became one of a single issue. 🤷
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Our Savior’s greatest gift to us is that He gave up his life for us. Shows me the importance of life to Him. It is the single issue. You can not participate in any program if you are dead.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
In your opinion, but I challenge any of the right-wingers to tell me which other issue could possibly match or outweigh the johnny one-notism of abortion. Yeah, I know - we would vote for a pro-abortionist over a candidate who intends to drop nukes on any country that isn’t our friend. I’m speaking of realistic scenarios, however.
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What part of anything Romney, or anyone for that matter, has said that would lead you to buy into this idea?
 
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Translation-“I vote Democrat”
CatholicGuy22 said:
Is there anything wrong with that?
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Considering that the Democratic Party has managed to transform itself into the pro-abortion party par excellence, yes. It continues to positively embrace abortion, homosexual marriage, contraception, sterilization, and proposes to force Catholic institutions and others to act against their conscience or be fined for not accepting the HHS mandated religion.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
There is something disconcerting about the fact that our Faith became one of a single issue. 🤷
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Right now that “single issue” has wiped out 54,000,000 citizens of the US. (NOT counting
those lost thru chemical abortions).
54,000,000 not here that would have possibly had vocations to the priesthood, to religious
life, to volunteer with the poor, the disabled, the elderly (that in itself a tragedy), or that
would have simply been in our work force to contribute to SS.
What is disconcerting is that we have such a poverty of spirit where (I paraphrase) “our
unborn are most vunerable in their mother’s womb where they should be the safest.”
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
In your opinion, but I challenge any of the right-wingers to tell me which other issue could possibly match or outweigh the johnny one-notism of abortion. Yeah, I know - we would vote for a pro-abortionist over a candidate who intends to drop nukes on any country that isn’t our friend. I’m speaking of realistic scenarios, however.
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If the differences weren’t so obvious on that one issue (or gay marriage, stem cell research, the HHS mandate, etc), it would be much easier.

When it comes to other “social justice issues”, there is more of a gray area. Does letting states have control over Medicare help the poor more, or the current system? Does one type of Social Security reform help ensure the program’s survival, or does the current program need to continue?

I don’t know of anyone who takes the “round 'em up, ship them off” approach to immigration.

There is room for discussion on what I believe are all well-intentioned ideas of doing those other things, but abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, HHS mandate, etc are all pretty black/white issues.
 
Can not believe the swear word Obama called Romney in a rolling stone interview. Beneath the office of the presidency
We arrived at the Oval Office for our 45-minute interview .… on the morning of October 11th. … As we left the Oval Office, executive editor Eric Bates told Obama that he had asked his six-year-old if there was anything she wanted him to say to the president. .… he said, ‘Tell him: You can do it.’ Obama grinned. .… ‘You know, kids have good instincts,’ Obama offered. ‘They look at the other guy and say, “Well, that’s a ***********, I can tell.”’”
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BroomWagon said:
Hate to break it to you but the nation’s largest abortion provider is the Democrat party’s sacred cow known as Planned Parenthood, abortion in the US is 5 times more likely to abort a black child and 83% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods. Stings have shown Planned Parenthood advise 90+% of all women to abort because that means revenue for Planned Parenthood.

Governors in Wisconsin and New Jersey have defunded planned parenthood NOT so in Illinois where Tonya Reaves died at about 10 weeks ago.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts, let’s not forget also the fact that Obama voted 4 times against the Born Again Infant Protection Act, in other words if a baby survived abortion, the baby would be let alone to die on its own.

Yeah, that’s real charitable alright!
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open your mind man! There are other issues you know!
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
You hypocrites! You say your pro-life but you support a candidate who will cut programs that help the poor! And also a candidate who does not respect the dignity of all people included the undocumented! It’s awesome you want to support anti-abortion candidate but for those calling Catholics who vote for Obama heretics should look at themselves in the mirror first. The Church calls us to vote by a formed conscience. You don’t have to be Republican to be a good Catholic!
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Sumpin’ in yer eye?😉

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Tampa_Dave said:
Why Romney Doesn’t Need a Poll Lead in Ohio
By Josh Jordan (National Review Online) October 26, 2012 7:00 A.M.

The race for Ohio is slowly tightening, but Mitt Romney does not hold a lead in a single poll in the current Real Clear Politics average (he is tied in two). Two polls from Time and CBS/Quinnipiac have grabbed headlines by showing Obama a five-point lead in each. Romney is chipping away at Obama’s poll lead, but the Democratic advantage in party-ID has increased across these polls. When looking at the polls in Ohio, it is becoming entirely possible that Mitt Romney should be able to win Ohio without ever showing a consistent lead in the polls, or any lead at all.
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  • is increasingly difficult for Romney to show an lead in the Ohio polls. But even with Obama currently enjoying a 2.1 point lead, Romney is still in great shape to win Ohio on Election Day.* Here are some of the reasons for the optimism coming from Boston these days:
Romney’s strength with independents keeps growing: Last week when Obama led the Real Clear Politics average by 2.5 points, Romney led among independents by an average of 8.7 points. Romney has since increased that lead with independents to 12.3 points, which is why he’s been able to cut Obama’s overall lead even as the polls have leaned more Democratic. In 2008 Obama beat McCain with independents by eight points. It would be almost impossible for Obama to win Ohio while suffering a 20-point swing among independents.

The polls give Democrats a better turnout advantage than they had in 2008: As I explained in my last Ohio post, in 2008 Democrats beat Republicans in turnout by five points. The current polls show an average of D+6.6. A D+5 turnout in 2008 gave Obama a 4.5-point victory, while he is currently leading by only 2.1 points on an even greater D+6.6 turnout. Again, we know it should be very difficult for Democrats to match their 2008 turnout, let alone increase it.

History suggests late deciders will break against the incumbent: This is a rule that always receives some skepticism, but it’s very likely to benefit Romney at least some on Election Day. In 2004, late deciders broke against George W. Bush heavily, even though he was a wartime president. John Kerry beat Bush by 25 points among voters who decided in the last month, 28 points among voters that decided in the three days prior to Election Day, and 22 points among day-of deciders. Those voters were 20 percent of the Ohio electorate; while this year there are expected to be fewer late deciders, Obama cannot afford to lose among by those margins and still win.

In Ohio, Republicans tend to outperform their share of the national vote: In the last nine elections, the GOP has outperformed in Ohio. With Romney currently running just ahead of Obama nationally, it seems much more likely that Obama’s lead in Ohio has more to do with the higher party-ID advantage than a dramatic shift in Ohio from the past nine elections.

Strength with crossover voters in Ohio: In addition to Romney’s strength with independents, in the past two elections the GOP candidate has won over more Democrat votes than he’s lost Republican ones. Obama’s Ohio win in 2008 was based entirely on his strength with independents and the wave turnout, both of which are highly unlikely to be repeated in 2012. If Romney wins with independents by anywhere near the current average he has and takes more crossover voters than Obama does, Obama would need to exceed 2008 turnout greatly to win.

So, with less than two weeks until Election Day we will all know the results soon enough, but as more Ohio polls come in, it is important to remember that the picture for Romney in Ohio is better than many pundits would have us believe. It only takes a quick look at Romney’s rallies to remind us it’s not 2008 anymore, as Republicans have reclaimed the enthusiasm advantage that led to such sweeping 2008 victories for Democrats. That GOP enthusiasm has become contagious since the debates, and it is exactly what has Team Obama so afraid these days. All they have left to hang their hopes on is a slim lead in the polls, and even that might not be enough on Election Day.

Of course, anything can happen in Ohio. However, I think Obama might win there because of three rightly or wrongly perceived factors: the lower unemployment rate in Ohio compared to the national average, the auto rescue and support of auto workers whose jobs were saved, and the superior ground-operation of unions and other groups. Despite this, it’s still close.
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I can empathize how abortion seems to be an issue on the back burner for some people and I don’t look at them intolerably but I’m glad I feel I learned early on that is a grave wrong.
 
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