Obama and Romney hit the final stretch

[mary_bobo]

Our money, too. I’d say yes, and supplement that with my personal contributions towards an obligation to help the poor.

Do you really think that if the government dropped all its aid to the poor, ordinary citizens would make up for it by themselves? I personally think not.

Perhaps not, but I bet it would some scrap a little harder to help themselves. Many can, you know.

 

[stinkcat_14]

You cannot meet your obligation to the poor by voting for someone who promises to steal money from one group of people and redistribute it to another. That is called theft and it is a mortal sin.

Cite me Church teaching where it says taxation is theft.

Second, nobody is forced to pay taxes, there are plenty of low tax jurisdictions to move to, so it is hard to make the theft argument stick.

 

[Schmoo]

Its theft when they** take **from one and give to another IMO. And just up and moving can be next to impossible. Most ppl can’t do that… becuz if I could… I would already be out of this lib state.

Cite me Church teaching where it says taxation is theft.

Second, nobody is forced to pay taxes, there are plenty of low tax jurisdictions to move to, so it is hard to make the theft argument stick.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Just 58% of young voters say they will “definitely vote” this fall, down from 81% in Oct '04 and 78% in Oct '08 njour.nl/P5FWsP

Who Won the Debates? 49% Say Romney, 41% Obama

Obama Retreating From Virginia

More than 1 million Floridians have already voted; GOP still has 5-point edge

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NBC’s Brian Williams: This Is Not The 2008 Obama Campaign

Obama polling far behind 2008 in swing states

Middle Cheese: ‘Bottom Line, I Think Election Comes Down to Ohio’

NBC’s Chuck Todd Says Ohio Is Extremely Close, Less Than A Two Point Race

Romney’s political director

The Time Magazine poll shows Governor Romney trailing by 5 points statewide, but winning Independent voters by a 53%-38% margin. That’s just not possible. Write it down – if Mitt Romney wins independent voters by 15 points in Ohio, he’ll be the next President of the United States.

Election Tells: Obama is Imploding

 

[Jeanne_S]

I’m sure it’s too much to hope for the Florida vote not to be rigged again. We really need a national election commission to run our elections. There are several states which are known to try to fix the electoral results, both republican and democrat. Just depends on who is in power in that state.

AgainBush won fair and square in spite of Gore cherry picking
districts that he thought would go in his favor.Time to get over it,don’tcha think?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Just 58% of young voters say they will “definitely vote” this fall, down from 81% in Oct '04 and 78% in Oct '08 njour.nl/P5FWsP

Young voters: down

Hispanics: down

Women: down

Explain to me how Obama can win, again?

 

[Jeanne_S]

Young voters: down

Hispanics: down

Women: down

Explain to me how Obama can win, again?

The Chicago way

 

[estesbob]

Young voters: down

Hispanics: down

Women: down

Explain to me how Obama can win, again?

He wont. He is going to lose so big his only excuse will be to claim he defeated by racism.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

He wont. He is going to lose so big his only excuse will be to claim he defeated by racism.

I agree.

 

[_Abyssinia]

He wont. He is going to lose so big his only excuse will be to claim he defeated by racism.

Various liberals have started blaming racism, they are getting ready for an Obama loss

 

[_Abyssinia]

Obama worried about black and Hispanic vote

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Various liberals have started blaming racism, they are getting ready for an Obama loss

Exactly. Bit sad, really. They wish to blame racisms, but the problem isn’t racism. It isn’t even Obama per se. It’s liberalism itself.

 

[qui_est_ce]

AgainBush won fair and square in spite of Gore cherry picking
districts that he thought would go in his favor.Time to get over it,don’tcha think?

Besides the fact how would a national election commission be more corruption free than a state election commission?

 

[Dawnia]

Various liberals have started blaming racism, they are getting ready for an Obama loss

Guess O should be glad that Romney isn’t a jew. He wouldn’t have any excuses for why he’s loosing other than he’s a bad president.

 

[TTins]

I’ve lurked here for ages but finally had to register to fight some misconceptions about how much of a lock Romney has on this election.

A nationwide poll may predict who will win the popular vote, but state by state polls to predict who will win the most electoral votes (and the presidency) has been historically accurate for the last 2 elections from the following site:

electoral-vote.com/ -
That site predicts Obama winning 294 electoral votes to Romney’s 244. They update states that have new polls daily and adjust the numbers to reflect that.

Another site: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ predicts 290 (D) to 247 (R)

And still a third electionprojection.com/2012elections/president12.php shows a more reasonable 277 (D) to 261(D)

I’m not saying Romney can’t win, but going in with unmitigated self assurance that he already has it carries the risk of making one’s head explode.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I’ve lurked here for ages but finally had to register to fight some misconceptions about how much of a lock Romney has on this election.

A nationwide poll may predict who will win the popular vote, but state by state polls to predict who will win the most electoral votes (and the presidency) has been historically accurate for the last 2 elections from the following site:

electoral-vote.com/ -
That site predicts Obama winning 294 electoral votes to Romney’s 244. They update states that have new polls daily and adjust the numbers to reflect that.

Another site: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ predicts 290 (D) to 247 (R)

And still a third electionprojection.com/2012elections/president12.php shows a more reasonable 277 (D) to 261(D)

I’m not saying Romney can’t win, but going in with unmitigated self assurance that he already has it carries the risk of making one’s head explode.

What polls are electoral-vote.com and electoralprojection.com basing their predictions on? Most of the polls oversample democrats by using a 2008 turn out model. Enthusiasm is down among Obama’s key voter groups that came out in huge numbers in 2008; Hispanics, women, young people etc. If those prediction models use polls that oversample democrats they create an inaccurate prediction model

Nate Silver who writes for fivethirtyeight is a liberal partisan and has a flawed model

Nate Silver’s Flawed Model

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Exactly. Bit sad, really. They wish to blame racisms, but the problem isn’t racism. It isn’t even Obama per se. It’s liberalism itself.

I disagree. Obama may be a loser this time, and he may well deserve his defeat (I’ll not argue the point), but it is conservatism that is the real losing philosophy that ought to be relegated to the dustbin. What has conservatism done to make all things right?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I disagree. Obama may be a loser this time, and he may well deserve his defeat (I’ll not argue the point), but it is conservatism that is the real losing philosophy that ought to be relegated to the dustbin. What has conservatism done to make all things right?

40+% of the country self identifies as conservative.

Only 20% as liberal.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

What polls are electoral-vote.com and electoralprojection.com basing their predictions on? Most of the polls oversample democrats by using a 2008 turn out model. Enthusiasm is down among Obama’s key voter groups that came out in huge numbers in 2008; Hispanics, women, young people etc. If those prediction models use polls that oversample democrats they create an inaccurate prediction model

Nate Silver who writes for fivethirtyeight is a liberal partisan and has a flawed model

Nate Silver’s Flawed Model

Small correction, amica mia. Most polls are using a turnout model that assumes more Democrats will turn out than did in 2008.

OH: in 2008 it was +5 Dem. Most of the polls are using D + 9

 

[mary_bobo]

He wont. He is going to lose so big his only excuse will be to claim he defeated by racism.

Bob, I frequently agree with you,but I think you are giving the electorate too much credit. You know me well enough to know what I think about that. And don’t leave out the equation of the thuggish Chicago machine. This is one election that has me scared to death.