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Not so…There are several “gray areas” regarding the hadiths and sunnah, say, on the penalty for apostates.

The four major Sunni schools of Islamic jurisprudence (Madh’hab) differentiate between harmful apostasy and harmless apostasy (also known as major and minor apostasy) in accepting repentance

In “civil law”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Origins
Fiqh is the practice of applying Sharia in cases where the Quran/Hadith are not explicit. Anyone can engage in it, even you and I. It just so happens that certain groups of studied the matter and believe they are most qualified to do so- that does not mean they have authority. Nobody has authority in (Sunni) modern Islam. The “hierarchy” doesn’t go above the ‘rank’ of Imam which is the rough equivalent of a ‘preacher.’

The opinions of the Madhabs are only binding when another authority, such as a government, jumps behind them.

Furthermore, it’s unproductive to consider the Sharia extremists want to impose and the Sharia of the Madhabs as the same thing- the extremists have their own Sharia, as evidenced by the fact that they have their own just war theory.
 
Fiqh is the practice of applying Sharia in cases where the Quran/Hadith are not explicit. Anyone can engage in it, even you and I. It just so happens that certain groups of studied the matter and believe they are most qualified to do so- that does not mean they have authority. Nobody has authority in (Sunni) modern Islam. The “hierarchy” doesn’t go above the ‘rank’ of Imam which is the rough equivalent of a ‘preacher.’
I understand that there is no formal heirarchy of leadership, but if you believe “most qualified” gives no bearing to “authority”, then we’re at an impasse.

Unfortunatley, the Quran and Hadiths are all too explicit on any number of human rights issues.
 
Furthermore, it’s unproductive to consider the Sharia extremists want to impose and the Sharia of the Madhabs as the same thing- the extremists have their own Sharia, as evidenced by the fact that they have their own just war theory.
Perhaps you could point out the differences in, say, punishment for adultery, apostacy, legal standing of non-Muslims, etc?
 
I understand that there is no formal heirarchy of leadership, but if you believe “most qualified” gives no bearing to “authority”, then we’re at an impasse.
I said they believe they are the most qualified- that does not mean others agree.
Unfortunately, the Quran and Hadiths are all too explicit on any number of human rights issues.
Such as?

For example, could you find a call for the death penalty in the Quran, and for what crime(s)?
 
This issue keeps coming up with Obama/Religion, and since that seems to be related directly to this thread, heres the latest A-Press released within the last few minutes relating to Obamas faith.

It just won’t go away. The Pew Research Center reports that a growing number of Americans – nearly one in five – think President Obama is a Muslim, despite evidence to the contrary.

At 18 percent, the number is up from 11 percent in March 2009, soon after he took office. The nationwide telephone survey reached more than 3,000 on landlines and cell phones in late July and early August – before the president’s comments last weekend in support of the right of Muslims to build a mosque in Lower Manhattan near the site of the 9/11 attacks.

“The view that Obama is a Muslim is more widespread among his political opponents than among his backers,” Pew said. “Roughly a third of conservative Republicans (34 percent) say Obama is a Muslin, as do 30 percent of those who disapprove of Obama’s job performance. but even among his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian.”

Obama is a Protestant, although he has not affiliated with a church since moving to Washington. His father was Muslim and the family lived for a period during his childhood in Indonesia, a huge Muslim country. In Chicago before his election as president, Obama was a member of a United Church of Christ congregation (famously led by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright).

Lingering questions and rumors about the president’s religious faith and citizenship, often spread on the Internet, are an annoying distraction for the White House. Obama’s faith adviser, Joshua DuBois, told the Washington Post that “while the president has been diligent and personally committed to his own Christian faith, there’s certainly folks who are intent on spreading falsehoods about the president and his values and beliefs.”

Pew said the belief that Obama is Muslim grew most sharply among Republicans – up 14 points – but more independents also buy it, up eight points since 2009. Separately, a Time magazine poll, which sampled just over 1,000 adults earlier this week, found 24 percent believed Obama was Muslim, compared to 47 percent who said he was Christian. Twenty-four percent said they didn’t know the president’s religion.

“Beliefs about Obama’s religion are closely linked to political judgments about him,” Pew said. “Those who say he is a Muslim overwhelmingly disapprove of his job performance, while a majority of those who think he is a Christian approve of the job Obama is doing.” The margin error for the poll was plus or minus 2.5 percent.

Filed Under: Barack Obama, Religion, Obama Administration, Culture, Poll Watch, Ground Zero Mosque
Tagged: dailyguidance, jewelry, muslim, PewResearchCenter

So the plus or minus ratio of the article being correct is also 5%.
 
I said they believe they are the most qualified- that does not mean others agree.

Such as?

For example, could you find a call for the death penalty in the Quran, and for what crime(s)?
Well, “apostacy” for one, but it’s in the Hadith. For apostacy: Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, 4:52:260, 9:84:57, 9:84:58, 9:89:271.
 
No less reprehensible I would assume.
So, you don’t find the fact that “the Sharia extremists want to impose and the Sharia of the Madhabs” are very close in their interpretations of Shariah law troubling?
 
Do you also find Glenn Beck offensive? Because he made those same claims.
mediamatters.org/blog/201008180078

I tend to agree, the motivations for the attacks were political. Terrorists complained about unfair American intervention, not American “freedoms” or “religions.”

So you think that Iranians and Saudi Arabians are inherently prone to extremism and violence?

Further, I highly doubt his version of sharia law is the horrible construct you have in your head. Watch this talk he gives and then tell me that you think he supports stoning women or its equivalent.
ted.com/talks/view/id/676
First of all, no, I didn’t get this info from Glenn Beck. I very seldom watch him…number one, he is on at a time I am usually busy, number two, he has some very valid points, but I am just not that prone to watch him. I saw this info on a clip taken in 2002, this Imam talking with someone (I believe) from CNN. Heard it from the horses mouth. I hardly think these kinds of comments can be taken out of context. I also highly doubt that these kind of comments come from a “Moderate Muslim”. The “moderate muslims” have (from what I understand) come to this country to escape “Sharia Law”. They have also spoken out against this Mosque being build IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

Sharia Law is a “pick and choose” sort of law? It has different “versions”? Kind of like “Cafeteria Catholics”? Whatever it is,I as an American have kind of grown accostomed to “American Law” regardless of the type of Sharia Law he aspires to. I would imagine that there are a few like me around.

And NO, I do not think that ALL Iranians and Saudi’s are prone to violence, but…there are more than a few in this country that DO. DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING SOME OF THEM DANCING IN THE STREETS AFTER 9/11…RIGHT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY??? I remember. I think I have it saved somewhere with a picture of it on the front page of my local newspaper. I remember also, on the other side of the coin, hearing of terrible beatings of Muslims by Americans after that. The whole situation was horrible. So yes, we have a mixed crowd in the Muslim community in the USA.
 
This issue keeps coming up with Obama/Religion, and since that seems to be related directly to this thread, heres the latest A-Press released within the last few minutes relating to Obamas faith.

It just won’t go away. The Pew Research Center reports that a growing number of Americans – nearly one in five – think President Obama is a Muslim, despite evidence to the contrary.

At 18 percent, the number is up from 11 percent in March 2009, soon after he took office. The nationwide telephone survey reached more than 3,000 on landlines and cell phones in late July and early August – before the president’s comments last weekend in support of the right of Muslims to build a mosque in Lower Manhattan near the site of the 9/11 attacks.

“The view that Obama is a Muslim is more widespread among his political opponents than among his backers,” Pew said. “Roughly a third of conservative Republicans (34 percent) say Obama is a Muslin, as do 30 percent of those who disapprove of Obama’s job performance. but even among his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian.”

Obama is a Protestant, although he has not affiliated with a church since moving to Washington. His father was Muslim and the family lived for a period during his childhood in Indonesia, a huge Muslim country. In Chicago before his election as president, Obama was a member of a United Church of Christ congregation (famously led by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright).

Lingering questions and rumors about the president’s religious faith and citizenship, often spread on the Internet, are an annoying distraction for the White House. Obama’s faith adviser, Joshua DuBois, told the Washington Post that “while the president has been diligent and personally committed to his own Christian faith, there’s certainly folks who are intent on spreading falsehoods about the president and his values and beliefs.”

Pew said the belief that Obama is Muslim grew most sharply among Republicans – up 14 points – but more independents also buy it, up eight points since 2009. Separately, a Time magazine poll, which sampled just over 1,000 adults earlier this week, found 24 percent believed Obama was Muslim, compared to 47 percent who said he was Christian. Twenty-four percent said they didn’t know the president’s religion.

“Beliefs about Obama’s religion are closely linked to political judgments about him,” Pew said. “Those who say he is a Muslim overwhelmingly disapprove of his job performance, while a majority of those who think he is a Christian approve of the job Obama is doing.” The margin error for the poll was plus or minus 2.5 percent.

Filed Under: Barack Obama, Religion, Obama Administration, Culture, Poll Watch, Ground Zero Mosque
Tagged: dailyguidance, jewelry, muslim, PewResearchCenter

So the plus or minus ratio of the article being correct is also 5%.
I’m not surprised. I know people at where I work who are dyed-in-the-wool convinced that Obama is a Muslim and a non-citizen, and no amount of factual assertion is going to change their minds.

The “birther” rumors are being endlessly stoked by Rush Limbaugh and Joseph Farrah (founder of the conspiracist site World Net Daily). They have a vested interest in stoking the rumors because they make money off them, in the form of books, pamphlets, DVDs, and even magnetic bumper stickers they sell that exhibit “birther” slogans.

And, consistent with what I personally have observed, I imagine that people who embrace the “birther” rumors are well-disposed to embrace the “Muslim sleeper” rumors, too.

I was unaware that perceptions of his religion were so closely correlated to perceptions of his job performance, however. Imagine how different the political landscape might be now if a few million Americans were not so willfully brain-dead to the truth in a couple of very simply-resolved matters.

It proves once again (as if we needed further proof) the wisdom of P.T. Barnum—“there’s a sucker born every minute.”
 
There were also people atop a van who were observed high-fiving each other in the seconds after the second plane struck who were later tracked down and detained, and who were determined to be Israeli intelligence assets, posing as art students. For some reason, they were released…
 
So, you don’t find the fact that “the Sharia extremists want to impose and the Sharia of the Madhabs” are very close in their interpretations of Shariah law troubling?
I’m more concerned with the whole bombing and head chopping business than their political views.
 
I’m not surprised. I know people at where I work who are dyed-in-the-wool convinced that Obama is a Muslim and a non-citizen, and no amount of factual assertion is going to change their minds.
Unless you believe there is something wrong about being a Muslim why would you consider it a smear for somebody to believe Obama was one?
The “birther” rumors are being endlessly stoked by Rush Limbaugh and Joseph Farrah (founder of the conspiracist site World Net Daily). They have a vested interest in stoking the rumors because they make money off them, in the form of books, pamphlets, DVDs, and even magnetic bumper stickers they sell that exhibit “birther” slogans.
Rush Limbaugh is not a Birther. Are you or Truther?
And, consistent with what I personally have observed, I imagine that people who embrace the “birther” rumors are well-disposed to embrace the “Muslim sleeper” rumors, too.
Again why would you be concerned if someone believed Obama is a Muslim?
I was unaware that perceptions of his religion were so closely correlated to perceptions of his job performance, however. Imagine how different the political landscape might be now if a few million Americans were not so willfully brain-dead to the truth in a couple of very simply-resolved matters.

It proves once again (as if we needed further proof) the wisdom of P.T. Barnum—“there’s a sucker born every minute.”
His religion is exactly like his job performance-it is nonexistent.
 
Unless you believe there is something wrong about being a Muslim why would you consider it a smear for somebody to believe Obama was one?

Rush Limbaugh is not a Birther. Are you or Truther?

Again why would you be concerned if someone believed Obama is a Muslim?QUOTE

Correction–Rush has not addressed the issue since issuing an on-air challenge to Obama to produce a birth certificate on July 20, 2009. Earlier, on June 16 of that year, he had made a birther joke on the air. And the reason he hasn’t is, he saw what a pummeling Lou Dobbs took on the issue, and didn’t want to be the next media personality to endure the “pinata treatment.”

No, I’m not a “Truther,” if you’re referring to 9/11 conspiracists who believe the government carried out the destruction of the WTC.

As for Obama being a Muslim, it has to do with this concept called “truth.” Perhaps you’ve heard of it?
 
There were also people atop a van who were observed high-fiving each other in the seconds after the second plane struck who were later tracked down and detained, and who were determined to be Israeli intelligence assets, posing as art students. For some reason, they were released…

Correction, they were posing as employees of a moving company. Sorry about that…
Any source for this (outside of an Alex Jones website)?

911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis
 
Correction, they were posing as employees of a moving company. Sorry about that…
Absolute nonsense. You’re a Truther, aren’t you

I’ll write it out for your blind eyes one more time, Bob. I’m not a “Truther.” But ABC (among others) did air a report about these people. And no, I don’t think Israel carried out 9/11. But apparently their intelligence knew something was up and deliberately didn’t act on it. It would be in character for them.
 
I’ll write it out for your blind eyes one more time, Bob. I’m not a “Truther.” But ABC (among others) did air a report about these people. And no, I don’t think Israel carried out 9/11. But apparently their intelligence knew something was up and deliberately didn’t act on it. It would be in character for them.
Any link to this ABC report (or others from a noteworthy news source)??

911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis
 
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