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I think you’ve hit it JimG. He likely did not lose one vote by this action, and likely solidifiwd many.
John
John
President Obama, marking the end of a prolonged “evolution” on the issue, now favors allowing homosexual couples to marry, he said in a television interview Wednesday.
Obama told ABC’s Robin Roberts Wednesday: “Over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married.”
latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-abc-gay-marriage-position-20120509,0,6635227.story
…except for possibly further alienating Catholics.I think you’ve hit it JimG. He likely did not lose one vote by this action, and likely solidifiwd many.
John
I think there will be some dropout from socially conservative Hispanics and Blacks.I think you’ve hit it JimG. He likely did not lose one vote by this action, and likely solidifiwd many.
John
Romney affirmed his opposition to gay ‘marriage’ yesterday:I need to know if Romney supports same sex marriage. What is this?
boston.com/news/daily/11/romneyletterbaywindows.pdf
Supposedly a letter to some gay Republican group??
Possibly, but I feel somewhat certain that it was a highly calculated risk on his part.I think there will be some dropout from socially conservative Hispanics and Blacks.
I agree. His campaign people know what they are doing. It’s a hot topic, but it will be a very close race. Romney’s state of Mass one of the first to pass gay marriage, so I don’t know how much credibility he has.Possibly, but I feel somewhat certain that it was a highly calculated risk on his part.
John
I agree. E.g., I’d think that many elderly are more concerned with euthanasia than with abortion.Most people are very easily swayed one way or the other if they don’t have any vested interest in the issue.
Amen, and vice versa.I agree. E.g., I’d think that many elderly are more concerned with euthanasia than with abortion.
Obama chose the color of money over the votes of the people of color.I agree. His campaign people know what they are doing. It’s a hot topic, but it will be a very close race. Romney’s state of Mass one of the first to pass gay marriage, so I don’t know how much credibility he has.
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And now we know why.President Barack Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage carries a political cost, but it also means floods of cash from wealthy gay donors and disillusioned young people eager to be inspired by him again.
Oh please, all those issues are exactly the same for both parties. What has Obama done for you in the last 4 years? Invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with who is President.It is a shame that the Republican Party and Mitt Romney have swung so far right. If they were modereate, I would vote Republican this time because of Obama’s support for gay marriage and other things.
But, there simply is no way that I can, in good conscience, vote for Mitt Romney because:
May God help us (and Iran) if Mitt Romney gets elected.
- He would bend to Republican pressure and invade Iran.
- He would continue to side against working Americans in positions favorable to big business.
- The right wing Republican led Congress is too powerful in their anti-student and anti-worker ideology and a Republican President would upset the balance of power.
I’m certain that he won’t lose all that many Hispanic and black votes. The number who will defect won’t affect the overwheming percentage of that demographic who will stick with him. IMO.Obama chose the color of money over the votes of the people of color.
Agreed,I’m certain that he won’t lose all that many Hispanic and black votes. The number who will defect won’t affect the overwheming percentage of that demographic who will stick with him. IMO.
You are certainly not saying Obama and the democrat party are middle of the road? You can’t be serious.It is a shame that the Republican Party and Mitt Romney have swung so far right. If they were modereate, I would vote Republican this time because of Obama’s support for gay marriage and other things…
Yep. Abortion is the number one issue. If it’s not your conscience has a major problem.You should follow your religion and your conscience, and vote for the only issues that do divide the two parties, social issues.
The president and the pastor spoke for 15 minutes, as Hunter, who had been driving with his wife in their home town of Orlando, Fla., pulled into a parking lot to listen. The pastor said he told the president that he did not agree with his view.
Here’s another tidbit from our interview with Hunter: Obama expressed concern that his full embrace of gay marriage was now putting the evangelical mega-church leader in an uncomfortable spot.
“We have a close relationship,” Hunter told The Post. “And he wanted to make sure that I wasn’t in a really precarious position by not knowing what he had done, and he wanted to make sure our relationship was solid.”
Hunter assured the president that the relationship was fine.
“Of course it is,” Hunter said. “A pastor doesn’t abandon people because he happens to disagree with the decisions that they’ve made.”
Still, Hunter was not pleased. Upon answering his phone when a Post reporter called, Hunter sounded exasperated. “I’ve had better days,” he groaned.
The pastor went on to explain that, from his church’s perspective, even a symbolic gesture by the president (Obama made clear he was not pursuing a policy shift and was expressing personal views) could foreshadow future laws that could force religious institutions’ hands.
His fears were not soothed by assurances from Obama and the White House that the president’s view would have no bearing on churches or religious groups. Obama said that these organizations should make their own decisions on whether to marry same-sex couples. In their conversation, Hunter said Obama referred to his belief in “civil marriage” for gays and lesbians, drawing a distinction between relationships sanctioned by the government and those by churches.
**“If there is a law that you cannot discriminate between same-sex couples and heterosexual couples, then, eventually, there will be pressure on the church to obey the law,” Hunter said. “And there will be lawsuits that come testing this thing, and we just know that we will certainly be pressured to conform to the law.”
Such comments from Hunter underscore the political dangers and tension points for Obama in the months ahead.Hunter continued: “As we see this possibly getting written into the Democratic Party platform, we look down the road. And the conversation I hear among religious leaders is that when you have this kind of powerful voice in the government and even an entire party talking about marriage non-discrimination, then there will be laws put in place somewhere down the line.”**