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musivc
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To suggest that he is more sympathetic to Islam than to our safety. That good enough for ya? You may disagree with that, but that is my opinion and that will be your opinion.
Obama Excoriates Republican Obsession With The Term ‘Radical Islam’
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lemongrass80
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I figured as much, but I wanted to be charitable and give you a chance to offer some other explanation that did not involve gross ignorance on your part.
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musivc
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Well, this has been going on since, about the last 1400 years. Again, ITS IN THE BOOK.Exactly. I feel like some people are just finding any reason to pick on Obama
Anyway, one way citizens can help prevent radicalisation is to not discriminate Muslims. Many Muslims are being targeted and harassed as terrorists in the USA. On top of that, many ignorant self proclaimed feminists target Muslim women for being oppressed bc of their hijab (even though they want to wear it etc) Once these muslims see the West as the “enemy”, it’s easy for radicalised Muslims to influence them. (“See how much they hate Allah’s word” etc)
Instead of constantly picking on the government, we can also help prevent radicalisation by basically, being good people and supporting non radicalised muslims.
In our country, we call in Social Defense, i think. Terrorists love to spread terror, not just by killing people. People hating Muslims is obviously what they want as well.
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mikekle
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No, the terrorists do not care if we hate them or not, they believe the only way to deal with the infidel is to kill them, this is what they are raised on.Exactly. I feel like some people are just finding any reason to pick on Obama
Anyway, one way citizens can help prevent radicalisation is to not discriminate Muslims. Many Muslims are being targeted and harassed as terrorists in the USA. On top of that, many ignorant self proclaimed feminists target Muslim women for being oppressed bc of their hijab (even though they want to wear it etc) Once these muslims see the West as the “enemy”, it’s easy for radicalised Muslims to influence them. (“See how much they hate Allah’s word” etc)
Instead of constantly picking on the government, we can also help prevent radicalisation by basically, being good people and supporting non radicalised muslims.
In our country, we call in Social Defense, i think. Terrorists love to spread terror, not just by killing people. People hating Muslims is obviously what they want as well.
Ever notice like when the Boston marathon bombing happened, and everyone said they were not going to be scared off or change anything and the next marathon would still be held…well, it was held, but it looked like a military and police convention too, this is part of their goal, with each small attack, our nation is changed, more and more freedoms are taken away under the guise of national security.
The desire a US that looks like a third world country, everyone walking around with AKs, tanks rolling down the street, barely any freedom to do anything, etc this is the type of culture they thrive in.
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Ridgerunner
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Those Muslims who are beheaded, raped, see their relatives killed and so on by radical Islamists aren’t likely to embrace them just because somebody here calls those radicals by what they are, and by what many Muslims, themselves, call them.
What Sunni Muslims are not likely to forgive is Obama’s “tilt” toward Iran. Take all Sunni Arab hatred of the U.S. and multiply it by 1,000 and that’s how they feel about Iran. The U.S. Air Force is, in effect, acting as the Iranian air force in Iraq, aiding Iranian-backed militias to take Sunni areas. The U.S. gave 150 billion dollars or so to Iran and removed sanctions against Iran. The U.S. gave Iran a pathway to being a nuclear power. The U.S. walked out of Iraq when the Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and even the Sistani Shia begged us to stay because they knew the place would turn into a battleground between Sunni radicals and Iran if we did. And so it happened.
Compared to that, saying “Islamic radicals” or whatever, is nothing. Worse, it minimizes and denigrates the loathing and fear many Muslims in the Middle East have for those very Islamic radicals. It’s like calling a clearly Islamic radical attack at Ft. Hood “workplace violence”. It excuses the real cause of the suffering.
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musivc
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Careful calling out the splinter in my eye, gross ignorance goes both ways…
I’m not an apologist for any politician. I have my ideologies and opinions just like everyone else. I search for truth as far as I can. All politicians are corrupt because all humans are sinners. Some are more corrupt than others.
It is not my attention to try to do anything else except remind people that in the Koran Muslims are given explicit instructions as to how to deal with infidels. As long as we neglect that, keep telling ourselves that these murders have nothing to do with Islam, then this will keep going on forever.
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GaryTaylor
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He certainly minimized Isis as the JV team. The conversation today is also years late and I can’t see where anyone said the phrase ‘radical Islam’ is ‘a strategy’. Seems to me the tirade was off center. As usual its all about not offending Islam, nothing about clarity with Americans. Political nonsense.
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Ridgerunner
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There are contradictions in the Koran. Among them is the (Mecca period) in which Allah supposedly directs friendship with “people of the Book” (Christians and Jews). Then there is the later Medina period in which war against infidels is directed, also supposedly by Allah.
The contradiction was resolved in the Middle Ages for most Muslims when Muslim scholars declared the “Doctrine of Abrogation”. By it, Allah was supposedly revealing his will more in the later (Medina) portions, and thereby abrogating the earlier (Mecca) portions.
So, while not all Muslims accept the “Doctrine of Abrogation”, most Sunni Muslims do. But there is an out. Muslims are not required to wage violent jihad if the infidel is too strong to overcome. When the west is demonstrably strong, they’re off the hook. It is exactly the purpose of ISIS atrocities to show Sunni Muslims that the west is weak, which, if believed, requires Muslims to wage violent jihad.
It is exactly by being weak that we aid the radicals and add to the oppression of those Muslims who really don’t want to adopt violent jihad. Refusing to even name the enemy everybody knows is the enemy shows weakness. However much Obama admires and promotes national weakness, Middle Eastern Sunni do not admire it. All it promises to them is war.
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Neofight
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Perhaps he was wrong calling out Republicans in general but I applaud anyone, Dem, Rep, right, left, or center who speaks out against Trump…he will harm America and the world in ways never thought possible.
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Darryl1958
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Obama hates Americans who disagree with him more than he hates Islamists who gun down young Americans in cold blood.
What else is new?
This is the kind of leader he has been right from day one.
He is a divider.
What else is new?
This is the kind of leader he has been right from day one.
He is a divider.
po18guy
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“Perhaps”? Donald the devil was not even in your consciousness a year ago. >> one year and suddenly the entire universe is teetering on the brink? What, is Trump Tower now the death star or something? It’s only politics, but it looks a lot like a religion…
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DeniseNY
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Well said:thumbsup:
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Good_Tidings
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You should have put quotes around your Donald Trump statement.
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Neofight
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It’s ironic how many people are convinced…and yes it is a prevailing thought on many threads over the last couple years…that one cannot really be Catholic and vote Democratic, but see no issues with Catholics voting for Trump (notice I said Trump, and not Republican, because the two are miles apart).
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grotto
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When Obama lovers and all things Democrat cannot shield themselves from criticism for their unacceptable choices they get very rude. Political correctness has been their hiding place where they can cry foul and play the victim. The bubble world they crave is popping and how will they ever get along with reality!
Islamic terrorism is real and as much as Obamites think they are above being used as a targeted infidel, they are at risk as well. The word “radical” and the root word "Islam"ic sends them into spasms of outrage. Think about it and the result is the same. Nonsense.
Islamic terrorism is real and as much as Obamites think they are above being used as a targeted infidel, they are at risk as well. The word “radical” and the root word "Islam"ic sends them into spasms of outrage. Think about it and the result is the same. Nonsense.
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Used2beSherryG
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Thank you or supplying some actual data. Myths about “all the attacks on Muslims” are Left wing liberal talking points . All the “MOBS” are after the muslims ??? So not true! The only mobs in this country are the black lives matters folks, paid protesters and criminal elements.
Political correctness is ruining our country. I fail to see why the media is s complicit. It stands to reason, their “rights” will be the next to go.
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Millie123
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Im sorry, I have to lift my jaw off of the ground at the insinuation that Im a left wing liberal.Thank you or supplying some actual data. Myths about “all the attacks on Muslims” are Left wing liberal talking points . All the “MOBS” are after the muslims ??? So not true! The only mobs in this country are the black lives matters folks, paid protesters and criminal elements.
Political correctness is ruining our country. I fail to see why the media is s complicit. It stands to reason, their “rights” will be the next to go.
–people (like myself) who are concerned about the factual increase of targeted muslim violence in this country can not blanketly be labeled as left wing liberals
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Used2beSherryG
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The only other choice is too horrible to even consider. I am a devout Catholic who believes everything the Church teaches. I could never vote for HRC. She’s rabidly defensive about Planned Parenthood and the whole abortion on demand issue, up to the moment of the baby’s natural birth (and beyond, in the case of a failed abortion attempt). She has shown herself to be a liar and a crook. I have no choice but to vote for Donald Trump. He is not a crooked politician and is not getting his palm greased by special interest groups. I want our country back, I want politicians to live by the same rules we average citizens play by, have the same insurance as we do, and the same retirement plan we have. I am fed up with the Ds and the Rs. Obama is the worst president we have ever had. He has done more to bring this country to it’s knees than I could have ever imagined possible.
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