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Rich_Olszewski said:
LOL! One the basis of one example, it is presumed that the entire MSM colluded?

Will you accept that the entire GOP is racist if I provide one example of a racist GOP politician?
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No, you incredulously demanded a source and he provided it; you don’t get to pretend you got the better of that exchange.
 
Observer3 said:
This hits the nail on the head. Get the extremists out of the GOP and start reaching out to the minorities and women.
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There are extremists in both parties which only means people to the edge of the mean. The parties have more in common than they do differences. Minorities have voted largely for the Democrat party for decades. If minorities are not attracted to your message do you change the message? If so then you compromise your message and might lose some of your current voters, on the edge or extreme. The same issue is true for women. The question is why do women vote for Democrats? If a reason is they want to murder their babies then I hope the GOP will not compromise even more to attract such voters. There are things in life far more important than winning elections.
 
Observer3 said:
news.yahoo.com/obama-bets-electorate-matches-2008-wins-100747098–election.html

This hits the nail on the head. Get the extremists out of the GOP and start reaching out to the minorities and women.
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The Republicans did NOTHING to win this election. They are always the party of “nice”. A tad behind the Democrats who ran the most negative and CRUDE campaign I have ever witnessed. Guess that’s what the majority relates to. What, Americans now feel “at home” with campaign ads that seniors are spewing profanities at Romney? Telling women to vote with their “Lady Parts”, and having some college girl talk about who she wants the “first time” to be with? I guess if this is what Republicans and Conservatives have to stoop to to win an election, I want NO PART OF IT.
 
Orogeny said:
The argument for women is different. You have stated that you oppose the GOP because, to paraphrase you, the GOP needs to stop telling women what to do with their bodies. The unrestricted right to kill babies is one thing that I doubt the GOP will ever concede. President Obama did very well with single women but not nearly as well as with married women, so there is no “woman” vote as much as there are two “women’s” votes.
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That’s fine that you see it this way, but it’s not ok for you to force your views on everyone else. People need the freedom to decide for themselves. Women don’t like being told what to do. No one does.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
LOL! One the basis of one example, it is presumed that the entire MSM colluded?

Will you accept that the entire GOP is racist if I provide one example of a racist GOP politician?
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You asked for an example. I’m not going to spend all day educating you.
 
Orogeny said:
Hispanics are, apparently, more interested in un-restricted immigration than they are in anything else. I think there is room there for the GOP to make some headway.
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I agree. They have different priorities than blacks do.
African Americans are, as a group, never going to vote for the GOP. They are too well trained by the Democrats.
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Well persuaded, not trained.
Class warfare works. The problem the GOP has is that it doesn’t see things in terms of class. The GOP feels that no one is stuck in their current socio-economic position. The Democrats have done a good job pitting those who have worked hard and succeeded against those who haven’t.
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Can’t argue against a successful tactic.
I hope that the GOP never becomes as cynical as that. I hope and pray that one day we, as a country, can get back to the ideal that hard work and the associated rewards are something to be embraced, not penalized.
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Keep that attitude up and we can be sure of a Democratic administration into the far future.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Yeah. Now that the horse has gotten out of the barn.

The GOP has got to understand that they can’t succeed any longer with white male voters alone. Don’t they know that black people can become Republicans as can Latinos? 🤷

And what about women? All three groups went for Obama.
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I’m sorry, Rich, but that is not correct. Blacks cannot become Republicans, at least not as a group. They did worse than any group during the president’s first term and yet they voted en-mass for him again. Those blacks that have become Republican are vilified by many if not most other blacks. I am not saying that the GOP shouldn’t try, but that is, I’m afraid, a lost cause.

Surveys of Latinos suggest that they are, as a group, pro-life and pro-family. I don’t believe those surveys any more. They are one-issue voters - immigration. That is an issue that the GOP can make some progress on and I think that they will.

I do agree that it can’t be just white voters. I don’t agree that that is the only demographic that the GOP targets.

Peace

Tim
 
Observer3 said:
That’s fine that you see it this way, but it’s not ok for you to force your views on everyone else. People need the freedom to decide for themselves. Women don’t like being told what to do. No one does.
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Kinda like being told that people are killing their babies but it is not my place to say anything about it?

I don’t know how old you are, but being told what to do is part of life.

Peace

Tim
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
No, you incredulously demanded a source and he provided it; you don’t get to pretend you got the better of that exchange.
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I’m not so arguing. But one robin Spring doth not make. Sam provided ONE example; and one example does not extend into a generalization.
 
Another lie:

Just did my payroll tax update this morning:
Sage Peachtree 2011 Online Update (Release 2011 SR-7)
Important Note: Improvements and updates vary by product version. Not all apply to every version.
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Product Changes:
As of Jan 1, 2013 there is Additional Medicare tax for High Earners. This tax is a provision of the amended Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. **The Additional Medicare is an employee paid tax of .9% on earnings above $200,000. **This is in addition to the employee Medicare tax of 1.45%. The Employer portion of the Medicare tax is not subject to the Additional Medicare tax.
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I thought “middle income earner who earned less than $250,000.00” would not see any tax increases?
 
Observer3 said:
That’s fine that you see it this way, but it’s not ok for you to force your views on everyone else. People need the freedom to decide for themselves. Women don’t like being told what to do. No one does.
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All the government does is force views on other people. The government creates laws, based on views, and then enforces them with violence e.g. beatings, shootings, and even executions. I’m not sure how a person can think abortion being illegal is forcing a view on someone but requiring a person to buy health insurance is not.
 
Rich Olszewski;9987251Well persuaded said:
No, trained is a word that I specifically chose and that I mean. No persuasion is needed.
Can’t argue against a successful tactic.
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True. Kinda like arguing against the KKK scare tactics in the bad old days before civil rights laws. They were successful.
Keep that attitude up and we can be sure of a Democratic administration into the far future.
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Actually, today I honestly believe that is the future of our country and I am very, very deeply sad about that. This country has evolved into one of takers and class envy and I don’t think it will ever change again. Once you let people vote for handouts, they will always do so.

Peace

Tim
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Orogeny said:
Kinda like being told that people are killing their babies but it is not my place to say anything about it?

I don’t know how old you are, but being told what to do is part of life.

Peace

Tim
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You are right to certain extent. It’s not black and white. Children need to obey their parents until they are an adult. But really personal issues like this where we don’t have proof are not meant to be determined by a law. Sorry, but freedom of choice is the best option we have. I’m sure we all dislike Fred Phelps and his Baptist church, but part of our freedom is allowing them to protest.
 
SamH said:
Agreed. I’m off to buy silver and ammunition.
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I’m joining you. I’m calling up my cousin to get my Colt .45 I’d buy an AR-15 now…but I gotta save my money to fly up to Wisconsin to see my girlfriend…so I’ll settle for a shotgun or a cheap mosin-nagant. 😃
 
Observer3 said:
You are right to certain extent. It’s not black and white. Children need to obey their parents until they are an adult. But really personal issues like this where we don’t have proof are not meant to be determined by a law. Sorry, but freedom of choice is the best option we have. I’m sure we all dislike Fred Phelps and his Baptist church, but part of our freedom is allowing them to protest.
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No, it doesn’t end when you leave your parent’s house. If I were to choose to kill my one-month old son because he is just not convenient at this time, would you support my actions?

Peace

Tim
 
Orogeny said:
No, trained is a word that I specifically chose and that I mean. No persuasion is needed.True. Kinda like arguing against the KKK scare tactics in the bad old days before civil rights laws. They were successful.Actually, today I honestly believe that is the future of our country and I am very, very deeply sad about that. This country has evolved into one of takers and class envy and I don’t think it will ever change again. Once you let people vote for handouts, they will always do so.
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So, what are you Republicans going to do about all that in the next election? 🤷
 
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