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qui_est_ce said:
I thought “middle income earner who earned less than $250,000.00” would not see any tax increases?
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Here is another good one.

From NPR:
npr.org/2012/11/06/164389316/alternative-minimum-tax-could-affect-25-million-taxpayers

From the transcript:
NPR:
KEITH: Yes, it’s early. But he doesn’t like surprises. Thanks to that thing no one really likes to talk about - the Alternative Minimum Tax - it doesn’t look pretty.
SCHAFFER: This is going to be a very negative surprise. It actually represents about a 20 percent increase in our taxes.
KEITH: The modern AMT was created in the 1980s to make sure that high-income people weren’t avoiding taxes. But it wasn’t indexed to inflation. What would have been high income back then is decidedly middle income now. Roberton Williams of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center says just about every year, Congress comes in and applies a patch. Without it, people with incomes as low as $75,000 a year would get a tax shock.
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(bolding mine)

Peace

Tim
 
SamH said:
Agreed. I’m off to buy silver and ammunition.
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Whoa! I’m not assuming a bunker mentality. Apathy is sufficient for me. I do not believe there is a need to purchase more guns or ammunition because of Obama’s re-election. Or silver, though precious metals may rise again soon in light of America’s desperate financial situation.
 
Orogeny said:
No, it doesn’t end when you leave your parent’s house. If I were to choose to kill my one-month old son because he is just not convenient at this time, would you support my actions?

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Tim
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If you killed someone, then no. But abortion is not something we have enough proof on to say if it’s killing a human. We don’t know when life really starts, and you know this is why we don’t all agree.

Surely if you believe we should be told what to do, then you support Obama’s health care mandate, right? I don’t support the mandate, but I do support most of the other parts of Obamacare.
 
Teelynn said:
The Republicans did NOTHING to win this election. They are always the party of “nice”. A tad behind the Democrats who ran the most negative and CRUDE campaign I have ever witnessed. Guess that’s what the majority relates to. What, Americans now feel “at home” with campaign ads that seniors are spewing profanities at Romney? Telling women to vote with their “Lady Parts”, and having some college girl talk about who she wants the “first time” to be with? I guess if this is what Republicans and Conservatives have to stoop to to win an election, I want NO PART OF IT.
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I don’t think it was very “nice” of the Romney campaign to perpetuate lies that Obama removed the work requirement from welfare or that Jeep was outsourcing jobs to China. These lies were in ads that were endorsed by the candidate - whereas the ads you cite were made by independent third party groups. Plus, they’re funny.
 
There’s some truth to the OP header, but not the way most pundits will try to spin it. It’s not like pro-abort republicans have had a big showing lately. They got skinned as badly as “Tea Partiers” did yesterday.

What republicans need to do is make their case to Latinos much better than they have been. The Xenophobes have to go from the party. Latinos are natural republicans: they work hard, they are willing to sacifice their own comfort for the sake of their kids, they value faith/religion, they recognize a God larger than themselves, they are entrepenuers and they don’t expect a bunch of handouts (and certainly don’t want to pay for them for others). If the republicans change course and are able to lead on the matter of comprehensive immigration reform instead of the “keep the bums out” rhetoric that comes from the fringe, the latino vote will come back home to the good guys side. The Dems are fundamentally the party of license and immorality, Latinos aren’t happy voting for that. Stop alienating them and they’ll respond.

I’ve been advocating this course for years:
  1. Drastically enlarge the quota for unskilled, non-connected immigrants from South America. More than a factor of ten increase.
  2. Establish a plea bargain program for illegal immigrants already here that gives them a path to citizenship that requires them to put skin in the game - teach ESL, do community service, military service, etc. Do modest restitution and receive a probationary path to citizenship (one that is revoked in the case of criminal conduct)
  3. THEN you can lock down the borders, increase patrols, fences, etc. Once there is a fair and just opportunity for immigration, it is reasonable to demand that people comply with it.
You won’t get Latino resentment for the above. It treats them as human beings, not scum. And it’s win-win. Native citizens don’t have enough babies to even sustain the population anymore. We need them for continued economic growth. Nobody loses.
 
Observer3 said:
If you killed someone, then no. But abortion is not something we have enough proof on to say if it’s killing a human. We don’t know when life really starts, and you know this is why we don’t all agree.
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Actually, we do. Basic biology. Do the research.
Surely if you believe we should be told what to do, then you support Obama’s health care mandate, right? I don’t support the mandate, but I do support most of the other parts of Obamacare.
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Why don’t you support the mandate? It seems to be exactly what you *would *support.

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Tim
 
Observer3 said:
If you killed someone, then no. But abortion is not something we have enough proof on to say if it’s killing a human. We don’t know when life really starts, and you know this is why we don’t all agree.

Surely if you believe we should be told what to do, then you support Obama’s health care mandate, right? I don’t support the mandate, but I do support most of the other parts of Obamacare.
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please get a biology textbook. Human beings give birth to human beings, not fish or cows or cats or dogs or mice or rabbits or horses or whales or dolphins. They give birth to HUMAN BEINGS.

And Life begins at conception, science PROVES THIS.
 
Observer3 said:
If you killed someone, then no. But abortion is not something we have enough proof on to say if it’s killing a human. We don’t know when life really starts, and you know this is why we don’t all agree.
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Sure we know it is killing a human. Is the substance alive? Yes it is. And the process of abortion kills it. What is the substance? Is it human? That should be very obvious. It is certainly not a rock or a dog. We even know it is not a part of the mother because it has genetic material from both the father and mother.

And if we do not know when life starts then we should certainly not take the chance of it starting before we abort. The argument from ignorance is actually a very bad argument. If we don’t know we should have the utmost caution. It is only by being certain we know when life starts that we could even consider abortion.
 
So pretty much this means that people will either have to be more active and involved than ever before to make up for all the indifferent minded people,

or

worst case senero, we’ll have to be slayen like sheep. Inorder to invoke and make others rise to the call of duty. Forming a new institution and possibly a saint.
 
qui_est_ce said:
See that TampaDave?
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Originally Posted by Marie5890 View Post
“It’s better to light a candle that to curse the darkness”

When it comes to future political involvement, I’m simply going to sleep. 🙂
 
Interesting, I don’t remember discussion about stark problems with the Dem party when they lost 2x to Bush. I do remember a lot of accusations of stolen elections though.
 
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