Obama has won

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oldcelt said:
Because they really wouldn’t have to give much. It’s simple… religious employers provide coverage minus any objectionable with the ability of their employees to add coverage for contraception, etc., at their own expense.
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I don’t think you quite understand the people we are dealing with here.
 
Observer3 said:
If you really see things this black and white, why do you vote for the republicans, who often support capital punishment like in Texas? How can you support the republicans who are receiving millions of dollars from insurance companies? These health insurance companies have killed people for profit. This is a fact, and this is okay with you? My point is, you voted for someone who compromises your morals.
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No, I voted in accordance with the principle of proportionality. Texas has executed 66 prisoners since President Obama first took office. An estimated 5.6 million babies were executed in that same time period in the US alone.

Do you oppose the death penalty? Why? Every single life is precious, but you would be ok if those murderers had been themselves murdered by their mothers?

Peace

Tim
 
austenbosten said:
That’s why one of the first things Hitler did when in power was to legalize abortion and in 1941 pushed abortion on occupied-Poland and had the T-4 euthanasia program? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You’re entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
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Baloney. The Nazis instituted heavier criminal penalites for abortion. That is just fact.
 
Scoobyshme said:
Please research and study the Catholic principle of proportionality. We are allowed to vote for the lesser of two evils. Abortion trumps the other issues, hands down. Obama is, hands down, the most pro-Abortion president in history.
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That’s fine you believe Obama is the lesser of the two evils, and that abortion is the most important issue, but my point was that we can’t vote on one issue without compromising our morals. I look at the candidates as whole, like my church teaches.
 
I see we’re making things up about the HHS mandate again.

The time for fictions will soon be over. It takes effect soon, and we’ll see what actually happens.

When the whining starts, don’t come puking on my shoe.
 
Orogeny said:
No, I voted in accordance with the principle of proportionality. Texas has executed 66 prisoners since President Obama first took office. An estimated 5.6 million babies were executed in that same time period in the US alone.

Do you oppose the death penalty? Why? Every single life is precious, but you would be ok if those murderers had been themselves murdered by their mothers?

Peace

Tim
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I don’t support the death penalty. I don’t believe have the right to take a life. Abortion is much more gray than this issue. Again, not all of us agree when life begins. I believe its arrogant to assume when life begins, when in truth we don’t know for sure. And again, abortion is sometimes a necessary event when a mother’s life is in danger. I know this from personal experience of people I know.
 
Observer3 said:
I don’t support the death penalty. I don’t believe have the right to take a life. Abortion is much more gray than this issue. Again, not all of us agree when life begins. I believe its arrogant to assume when life begins, when in truth we don’t know for sure. And again, abortion is sometimes a necessary event when a mother’s life is in danger. I know this from personal experience of people I know.
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It is arrogant to think that you can say with any degree of certainty that life doesn’t begin at conception. Science says that it does. The Church says that it does. Observer3 says it doesn’t.

Abortion is only a gray area if it fits your own personal morality.

Peace

Tim
 
austenbosten said:
Just remember, WE WILL NOT be the ones who suffer. The ones most supporting of Obama will. We are willing to survive and cut back on work to spend more time with God and Family…the welfare-dependents need us more than we need them and they will be the ones who will suffer brutally by their own hand.
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I hope so. And I really mean that. I want them to suffer. But I think we’ll be dragged down with them before that really happens. The government can print more money to give to them. When food costs rise, they can throw down some more food stamps. We have to actually work for what we get. And the work is drying up.

Being dependent on the government drains a man of his dignity. But four more years of this? get ready to put your dignity aside.
 
qui_est_ce said:
What has Obama done for the poor?
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He reversed the economic slide that resulted from the Bush/Cheney econmic policies. He has kept in place support programs, access to health care, job training, college education, etc. for the non-rich.

Most of all, he has worked to reverse the posionous, thoroughly antiChristian mentality of Social Darwinism, of personal enrichment at the expense of everyone else, that Republicans have embraced since Reagan. He has promoted a policy of compassion and justice for the disadvantaged that all Christians should embrace.
 
Link0126 said:
I hope so. And I really mean that. I want them to suffer. But I think we’ll be dragged down with them before that really happens. The government can print more money to give to them. When food costs rise, they can throw down some more food stamps. We have to actually work for what we get. And the work is drying up.

Being dependent on the government drains a man of his dignity. But four more years of this? get ready to put your dignity aside.
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You want fellow Americans to suffer? I doubt you confessor would view that attitude favorably.

John
 
Schism_hater said:
He reversed the economic slide that resulted from the Bush/Cheney econmic policies.
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I have surely seen no such thing. That brings to mind a question. I wonder if Hillary runs in 2016…and the economy is still in the tank…will she blame Bush/Cheney? :hmmm:
Schism_hater said:
He has promoted a policy of compassion and justice for the disadvantaged that all Christians should embrace.
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He has promoted a policy of division and chaos.
 
Orogeny said:
It is arrogant to think that you can say with any degree of certainty that life doesn’t begin at conception. Science says that it does. The Church says that it does. Observer3 says it doesn’t.

Abortion is only a gray area if it fits your own personal morality.

Peace

Tim
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I didn’t say that. You put words in my mouth. I was implying that I don’t know when life begins. That’s an honest answer. Yours is an arrogant assumption.
 
Observer3 said:
That’s fine you believe Obama is the lesser of the two evils, and that abortion is the most important issue, but my point was that we can’t vote on one issue without compromising our morals. I look at the candidates as whole, like my church teaches.
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Read what the Church says…

Quoting Pope John Paul II, the cardinal observes that “in the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propoganda campaign in favor of such a law or VOTE FOR IT.’”

Bishop Ricken of Green Bay said, "A well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program that contradicts fundamental contents of faith and morals,” Ricken said in the letter. “Some candidates and one party have even chosen some of these as their party’s or their personal political platform. To vote for someone in favor of these positions means that you could be morally ‘complicit’ with these choices which are intrinsically evil. This could put your own soul in jeopardy.” Clearly, he’s talking about voting for Democrats.

theblaze.com/stories/catholic-bishop-voting-for-obama-dems-could-place-eternal-salvation-of-your-own-soul-in-serious-jeopardy/

Several other bishops have spoken likewise. So, rationalize what you want, and just know that life is all about choices…and consequences. Eternal consequences.
 
The Enlightment Culture didn’t win. The Entitlement Culture won. The latter is observable and readable increasingly in our country over the last few decades: The Almighty Self (vs. the nation, the community, and never mind anything about a common moral sense and The Common Good), an Almighty Self which demands license to behave, to own, and to seize whatever it wants. And the entitlement not to have to do the hard work of educating oneself: the entitlement to be lazy about that.

People don’t want to be educated (for example, on the economy and how economies operate and don’t operate), and Democrats have convinced the masses that education (about such refinements) is not necessary.

Personal responsibility has a far reach. It does not apply merely to basics such as maintenance of one’s own household and duties; it applies to informing oneself. (I will note that that same irrepsonsibility extends to many Catholics, who feel no particular compunction about refusing to inform their consciences according to the precepts of their Church.)

I do agree on the abysmal failure of the (public) education system, which system is my profession but whose “system” I have repudiated and denounced on many a thread. Americans are largely ignorant about history and economics, to their (our) peril. Republicans will not recapture any significant portion of the public until a larger portion of the body politic understands what does and does not make an economy “work.” Perhaps instead of campaigning, Republicans would do better to instruct, and to foster initiatives in the schools regarding the teaching of economics, and economics within history.

The election was a reflection of a changed and devolving majority culture, focused on getting not giving, focused on personal materialism and personal entitltement over any other value. I’m not bitter, just very sad about what I have been obseving for so long, and lamenting. The election was (sadly) logical, and should not have been a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Yeah. Now that the horse has gotten out of the barn.

The GOP has got to understand that they can’t succeed any longer with white male voters alone. Don’t they know that black people can become Republicans as can Latinos? 🤷

And what about women? All three groups went for Obama.
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And they don’t. The Republlicans have an ideology. Democrats just pander. Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan, Republicans never hung people. Don’t dump the shameful history of the Democrats on Republicans please.
 
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