Obama to Give Commencement Speech at Notre Dame

[catharina]

The new bill actually says nothing about conscientious objection to abortion. As I said before, there is no mandate to force anyone to either have an abortion or to perform an abortion.

It’s a total misinterpretation that Catholic hospitals or doctors would be forced to sponsor abortions. They may be required to refer patients to other facilities, but they are not forced to perform abortions.

My guess would be that the bill will be revised to contain a conscientious objection clause with the caveat that patients receive information on referrals.

What part of logic is eluding you?

re this: “Catholic hospitals or doctors … may be required to refer patients to other facilities, but they are not forced to perform abortions.”

Hello?
We are Catholics.
We can’t and DON’T do that.

Nor would I refer your sister to the mob to contract the murder of your parents or you.
Nor would I refer your uncle to services of prostitutes and escorts.

We DON’T refer for abortion.
What are you thinking?

 

[MrS]

What part of logic is eluding you?

re this: “Catholic hospitals or doctors … may be required to refer patients to other facilities, but they are not forced to perform abortions.”

Hello?
We are Catholics.
We can’t and DON’T do that.

Nor would I refer your sister to the mob to contract the murder of your parents or you.
Nor would I refer your uncle to services of prostitutes and escorts.

We DON’T refer for abortion.
What are you thinking?

………

 

[adamsapple]

What part of logic is eluding you?

re this: “Catholic hospitals or doctors … may be required to refer patients to other facilities, but they are not forced to perform abortions.”

Hello?
We are Catholics.
We can’t and DON’T do that.

Nor would I refer your sister to the mob to contract the murder of your parents or you.
Nor would I refer your uncle to services of prostitutes and escorts.

We DON’T refer for abortion.
What are you thinking?

The question was about what FOCA actually said versus what misinterpretations of the bill.

I suggested that the bill would be modified to mandate referrals. I didn’t say it was actually in the bill. It’s just my opinion that it may be written into it.

Again, another misinterpretation of what I said as well as what the bill says. It is a disservice to those who genuinely would like to reduce abortions.

 

[JohnnyK]

I like the protest idea that I heard on Al Kresta’s show last night. the student body should turn around when the president is speaking and begin to pray a rosary for life.

 

[redrosetea]

The question was about what FOCA actually said versus what misinterpretations of the bill.

I suggested that the bill would be modified to mandate referrals. I didn’t say it was actually in the bill. It’s just my opinion that it may be written into it.

Again, another misinterpretation of what I said as well as what the bill says. It is a disservice to those who genuinely would like to reduce abortions./QUOTE

Pray tell me how do you reduce abortions by increasing them???

 

[Morwenna]

I like the protest idea that I heard on Al Kresta’s show last night. the student body should turn around when the president is speaking and begin to pray a rosary for life.

I absolutely love this idea! If ND doesn’t rescind the invitation, then this would be the next best thing.

 

[adamsapple]

adamsapple;4996161:

The question was about what FOCA actually said versus what misinterpretations of the bill.

I suggested that the bill would be modified to mandate referrals. I didn’t say it was actually in the bill. It’s just my opinion that it may be written into it.

Again, another misinterpretation of what I said as well as what the bill says. It is a disservice to those who genuinely would like to reduce abortions.

You don’t know, and neither do I, whether abortions will be increased or decreased. I suspect that anyone today who wants an abortion can easily find a provider. FOCA does not regulate how, when, where or why women have abortions. It only says that the service should be made available to them in a nondiscriminatory manner.

 

[redrosetea]

Yes I do know…Patial birth abortion will be an enabler…I am interested in preserving life not destroying it

 

[adamsapple]

Yes I do know…Patial birth abortion will be an enabler…I am interested in preserving life not destroying it

You know what? That abortions will increase? How do you know that? It’s just an assumption. Until your assumption is proved correct it is an assumption.

You may be interested to preserve life, but you should also understand the content of the proposed bill. It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off. No one stops to consider a fetus as a human life because of all the hype and nonsense that’s perpetrated around the issue.

As I said before, in my opinion the pro-life movement is a failure. It’s dead in the water until the so-called pro-lifers recognize that they should be changing the minds and attitudes of women who have abortions and not attempting to legislate something that is unenforeable.

 

[catharina]

The question was about what FOCA actually said versus what misinterpretations of the bill.

I suggested that the bill would be modified to mandate referrals. I didn’t say it was actually in the bill. It’s just my opinion that it may be written into it.

Again, another misinterpretation of what I said as well as what the bill says. It is a disservice to those who genuinely would like to reduce abortions.

If others continue to ‘misinterpret’ your posts, your words, then
perhaps the problem is in the way you express your thoughts.

Perhaps you might move toward more clarity of thought?
Or not.

 

[redrosetea]

You know what? That abortions will increase? How do you know that? It’s just an assumption. Until your assumption is proved correct it is an assumption.

You may be interested to preserve life, but you should also understand the content of the proposed bill. It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off. No one stops to consider a fetus as a human life because of all the hype and nonsense that’s perpetrated around the issue.

As I said before, in my opinion the pro-life movement is a failure. It’s dead in the water until the so-called pro-lifers recognize that they should be changing the minds and attitudes of women who have abortions and not attempting to legislate something that is unenforeable.

I see you think it is a good idea…that in itself speaks volumes about your views about murdering babies…

 

[catharina]

You know what? That abortions will increase? How do you know that? It’s just an assumption. Until your assumption is proved correct it is an assumption.

You may be interested to preserve life, but you should also understand the content of the proposed bill. It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off. No one stops to consider a fetus as a human life because of all the hype and nonsense that’s perpetrated around the issue.

As I said before, in my opinion the pro-life movement is a failure. It’s dead in the water until the so-called pro-lifers recognize that they should be changing the minds and attitudes of women who have abortions and not attempting to legislate something that is unenforeable.

Please work for clarity of thought.
I can’t imagine you speak for “everyone” yet you declare:
“It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off.”

EVERYONE? Wow.
Impressive? Not.

 

[adamsapple]

Please work for clarity of thought.
I can’t imagine you speak for “everyone” yet you declare:
“It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off.”

EVERYONE? Wow. Impressive? Not.

The question was about FOCA, not about my opinion of FOCA. Please read the previous posts to understand the conversation. Thanks.

 

[adamsapple]

I see you think it is a good idea…that in itself speaks volumes about your views about murdering babies…

I think what is a good idea? Abortions? FOCA? Please clarify.

 

[redrosetea]

You seem to think opposing abortion in some way makes people radical…I lived in a time when abortions were crimes,and it wasn’t in the dark ages either

It was in a time of justice for all, even those with no voice…

 

[catharina]

The question was about FOCA, not about my opinion of FOCA. Please read the previous posts to understand the conversation. Thanks.

Sorry, dear, but I’ve read the entire thread.
How can you imagine you’re qualified to speak for EVERYONE who’s ‘turned off?’

Again, think, think, think, think, think, etc…

 

[adamsapple]

Sorry, dear, but I’ve read the entire thread.
How can you imagine you’re qualified to speak for EVERYONE who’s ‘turned off?’

Again, think, think, think, think, think, etc…

Where did I say I was qualified to speak for everyone??? Once again, another person who chooses to misinterpret posts to re-enforce their own agenda.

I think you are the one who should be thinking, thinking, thinking, ad nauseam.,.,

 

[catharina]

You seem to think opposing abortion in some way makes people radical…I lived in a time when abortions were crimes,and it wasn’t in the dark ages either

It was in a time of justice for all, even those with no voice…

Ditto.

 

[catharina]

Where did I say I was qualified to speak for everyone??? Once again, another person who chooses to misinterpret posts to re-enforce their own agenda.

I think you are the one who should be thinking, thinking, thinking, ad nauseam.,.,

YOU said this:

“It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off.”

Remember now?
You meant what you said, eh?
You imagine you KNOW what turns everyone off???
Sure.

 

[adamsapple]

YOU said this:

“It’s misinterpretations and extremist views that turn everyone off.”

Remember now?
You meant what you said, eh?
You imagine you KNOW what turns everyone off???
Sure.

Thank you for devolving the conversation into rubbish. When you find an answer to all these problems, please do let us know.