Obama- urges court, Gay Marriage ban

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If in fact the nation decides that sodomy is the equivalent of conjugal relations between man and wife, it will not be an advance in civil rights or in any other way. It will signal a continuing decline in the culture, ending in ultimate collapse. The current general attitudes on the subject seem to take the position of Mad Magazine’s Alfred E. Neuman: “What, me worry?”
Next they’ll be demanding that 10%* of Congressmen and women, Presidents, justices, government workers, governors, mayors, police, school teachers, and government contractors be practicing homosexuals [affirmative action]. The last straw will be requiring that 10% of Catholics be practicing homosexuals, or lose their non-profit status. At that point, leave and don’t look back…
  • Or whatever the claimed percentage of homosexuals in the general population is
 
Next they’ll be demanding that 10%* of Congressmen and women, Presidents, justices, government workers, governors, mayors, police, school teachers, and government contractors be practicing homosexuals [affirmative action]. The last straw will be requiring that 10% of Catholics be practicing homosexuals, or lose their non-profit status. At that point, leave and don’t look back…
  • Or whatever the claimed percentage of homosexuals in the general population is
Well, that’s entirely possible. It’s also worrisome that no one seems to understand why there are men and women anymore, or why there is sexual complementarity. The attitude is ‘okay, do whatever you like, whether it’s in accord with nature or against it.’

And ‘marriage equality’ means everyone has an equal right to marriage. Then not just homosexuals, but pederasts, polygamists, polyandrists, and more. Everyone is entitled to marriage equality. We’re going downhill fast.
 
The line of discussion was not about the first incidence of AIDS / HIV in the world or in the U.S. It was about the sexual behavior of a segment of the population that gave rise to the U.S. epidemic. Nice shift of focus there on your part.
It was about perpetuating the myth that gays are responsible for the HIV epidemic when, in reality, HIV has probably been in the United States since the slave trade. Unfortunately, it was hyped as a ‘gay disease’ by the Reagan Administration and by the media in the 80s.
 
Well, that’s entirely possible. It’s also worrisome that no one seems to understand why there are men and women anymore, or why there is sexual complementarity. The attitude is ‘okay, do whatever you like, whether it’s in accord with nature or against it.’

And ‘marriage equality’ means everyone has an equal right to marriage. Then not just homosexuals, but pederasts, polygamists, polyandrists, and more. Everyone is entitled to marriage equality. We’re going downhill fast.
In the… not of the… “They” are going down fast. They’re not taking me with them. I am an American, but that is a secondary membership, if you know what I mean.
 
It was about perpetuating the myth that gays are responsible for the HIV epidemic when, in reality, HIV has probably been in the United States since the slave trade. Unfortunately, it was hyped as a ‘gay disease’ by the Reagan Administration and by the media in the 80s.
…only because that was the major cause of its spread in the US. It wasn’t a gay disease, but it was felt primarily among those engaging in homosexual sex and those secondarily contracting it from those engaging in homosexual sex through sex (women having sex with bisexual males) and blood contact (like needles).
 
It was about perpetuating the myth that gays are responsible for the HIV epidemic when, in reality, HIV has probably been in the United States since the slave trade. Unfortunately, it was hyped as a ‘gay disease’ by the Reagan Administration and by the media in the 80s.
rossum is correct in saying that the majority of AIDS cases in the world are in Africa, and the great majority of African cases are due to heterosexual transmission.

In fact, the origin of the virus is not, should not be, blamed on the gay population.
In Africa, the virus would probably have been spread along truck routes and between towns and cities within the continent itself. However, it is quite conceivable that some of the early outbreaks in African nations were not started by Africans infected with the ‘original’ virus at all, but by people visiting from overseas where the epidemic had been growing too. The process of transmission in a global pandemic is simply too complex to blame on any one group or individual.
However, it is a fact that
HIV in the US was to a large degree initially spread by gay men, but this occurred on a huge scale over many years, probably a long time before Dugas (Patient Zero, the gay Canadian flight attendant) even began to travel.
In 1973, homosexuality as a mental disorder was removed from the DSM by the APA, eight or nine years before the explosion of AIDS cases in the U.S. Is there a correlation to be made there?
 
It was about perpetuating the myth that gays are responsible for the HIV epidemic when, in reality, HIV has probably been in the United States since the slave trade. Unfortunately, it was hyped as a ‘gay disease’ by the Reagan Administration and by the media in the 80s.
They are not responsible for HIV but Gay men in the USA are the most affected area. What does that say about responsibility.

cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

More than 1.1 million people in the United States are living with HIV infection, and almost 1 in 5 (18.1%) are unaware of their infection

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM1), particularly young black/African American MSM, [are most seriously affected by HIV.]
 
Interesting how gay marriage and abortion came about right after the liberal marxists told us we needed to legalize miscegenation…
 
Interesting how gay marriage and abortion came about right after the liberal marxists told us we needed to legalize miscegenation…
Miscegenation can not be compared to gay marriage and abortion, plus there were many conservatives calling for an end to anti miscegenation laws
 
Miscegenation can not be compared to gay marriage and abortion, plus there were many conservatives calling for an end to anti miscegenation laws
Those “conservatives” you speak of are what we now call RINO’s. And what about the children born to Miscegenation? They were are constantly mocked and teased and bullied because they have no sense of racial identity and other children can see that. To introduce a child into the world into that manner with full consent is child abuse
 
Those “conservatives” you speak of are what we now call RINO’s. And what about the children born to Miscegenation? They were are constantly mocked and teased and bullied because they have no sense of racial identity and other children can see that. To introduce a child into the world into that manner with full consent is child abuse
So you are saying that one should have a sense of racial identity? Why?

Are you proud of your racial identity? If so, why? It is accidental and has nothing whatsoever to do with your value as a member of the human family. In some ways maybe it is better to be so mixed racially that you can’t lay claim to any particular race or ethnicity. We are all God’s children; isn’t that enough?
 
Like I said, it’s a good thing to embrace homosexuals, but we shouldn’t be embracing homosexuality, what part of the acts of homosexuality do you think should be embraced and viewed as natural or normal Rossum?
How do you define “natural”? We can see the homosexual behaviour occurs in animals, so to that extent it is natural. How do you define “normal”? It is certainly a minority but I do not see it as abnormal, any more than minorities like blue eyes or left handedness are abnormal. Homosexuals are a naturally occurring minority, and it is normal for human populations to include this minority.
Do you think they can miss use their body like that and be healthy?
The average transmission rates for STIs for homosexuals are not as large as you think. Specifically, the rate for lesbians is less than the average rate for the whole population.

You would also do well to remember that anal intercourse is possible between heterosexual partners. There is no medical difference between the heterosexual and the homosexual versions.

Homosexuals suffer a far lower number of deaths due to complications of childbirth. Does that mean that homosexuality is healthier than heterosexuality? It is easy to pick a disease that shows a particular group is healthier (or less healthy) than a contrasting group. For example, comparative rates of prostate cancer show that men are less healthy than women, and that hence being male is unnatural, abnormal and intrinsically disordered. 🙂

rossum
 
How do you define “natural”? We can see the homosexual behaviour occurs in animals, so to that extent it is natural. How do you define “normal”? It is certainly a minority but I do not see it as abnormal, any more than minorities like blue eyes or left handedness are abnormal. Homosexuals are a naturally occurring minority, and it is normal for human populations to include this minority.
Do you really believe that? maybe you should reflect a little bit and think about what kind of acts you are claiming to be normal as something other than a miss use, because the acts of homosexuality IS! a miss use of the body, I don’t know what else I can say for you to understand that, I don’t know how your morality of sexual acts could be so warped.
The average transmission rates for STIs for homosexuals are not as large as you think. Specifically, the rate for lesbians is less than the average rate for the whole population.
Like I said Im no doctor so Im not sure, I just know that the acts of homosexuality is a miss use of the body, how can you not see that?
You would also do well to remember that anal intercourse is possible between heterosexual partners. There is no medical difference between the heterosexual and the homosexual versions.
The fact that, that kind of intercorse is disordered, immoral perverse and disgusting for any homosexual or hetrosexual to act on, I apologise if that language has offended you, but i don’t understand how you can view it any other way.
Homosexuals suffer a far lower number of deaths due to complications of childbirth. Does that mean that homosexuality is healthier than heterosexuality? It is easy to pick a disease that shows a particular group is healthier (or less healthy) than a contrasting group. For example, comparative rates of prostate cancer show that men are less healthy than women, and that hence being male is unnatural, abnormal and intrinsically disordered. 🙂
I can’t go into the debate about how healthy an act is or isn’t, because like I said Im no doctor so I don’t know, I shouldn’t have brought that up, but the fact that the human anatomy of a man and a woman dictate how sexual activity is supposed to work, what morality do you have when it comes to sexual activities? is anything you sexualy desire okay? didn’t you learn the difference between men and women in school? don’t we know what certain parts are designed for? you said before you reject the word ‘desgin’ well Im sorry but the body is DESIGNED to be used a certain way, I don’t know why you refuse to see that, maybe you should reflect a little bit about the very nature of homosexuality and how it is disordered, immoral, perverse and disgusting to act on such as anal intercourse like you mentioned above, how on earth can you view that any other way?

Thank you for reading
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Do you really believe that? maybe you should reflect a little bit and think about what kind of acts you are claiming to be normal as something other than a miss use, because the acts of homosexuality IS! a miss use of the body, I don’t know what else I can say for you to understand that, I don’t know how your morality of sexual acts could be so warped.
From the Buddhist perspective Christian morality lays too much emphasis on “You shall not commit adultery” and too little emphasis on “You shall not kill”. Buddhism avoids injury to life, and as part of that most Buddhists are reluctant to force others to conform to their morality. Since I do not want to be forced to marry the wrong sex, neither would I want to force someone else to do that.

We are getting back to the golden rule. Adam and Steve sharing a house and getting married do not cause any injury to me. What justification do I have for forcing them to do something that they do not wish to do in order to satisfy my ideas of what is correct behaviour? Adam and Steve may well be Christian and worshipping in an MCC or Quaker church. Does a Buddhist automatically have a right to force Christians to conform to Buddhist morality? Do Catholics and Protestants automatically have the right to force the other to conform to their morality.

In general terms, “Yuck! I think it’s icky,” is not sufficient reason to make something illegal. Catholic morals apply to Catholics; they do not apply to civil law, which is what President Obama was talking about.

rossum
 
From the Buddhist perspective Christian morality lays too much emphasis on “You shall not commit adultery” and too little emphasis on “You shall not kill”. Buddhism avoids injury to life, and as part of that most Buddhists are reluctant to force others to conform to their morality. Since I do not want to be forced to marry the wrong sex, neither would I want to force someone else to do that.

We are getting back to the golden rule. Adam and Steve sharing a house and getting married do not cause any injury to me. What justification do I have for forcing them to do something that they do not wish to do in order to satisfy my ideas of what is correct behaviour? Adam and Steve may well be Christian and worshipping in an MCC or Quaker church. Does a Buddhist automatically have a right to force Christians to conform to Buddhist morality? Do Catholics and Protestants automatically have the right to force the other to conform to their morality.

In general terms, “Yuck! I think it’s icky,” is not sufficient reason to make something illegal. Catholic morals apply to Catholics; they do not apply to civil law, which is what President Obama was talking about.

rossum
Here’s the problem I think a lot of people of religion have with gay marriage, abortion, etc.: they feel they shouldn’t have it forced down their throats and pay for it. Want an abortion? Fine, just don’t expect me to pay for it because I do not agree with it. This can apply to religions against war, etc.
 
Here’s the problem I think a lot of people of religion have with gay marriage, abortion, etc.: they feel they shouldn’t have it forced down their throats and pay for it. Want an abortion? Fine, just don’t expect me to pay for it because I do not agree with it. This can apply to religions against war, etc.
No fine. Abortion is the killing of innocent babies who can’t defend themselves. Pro-life is not about govt paying for abortion.
 
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