Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[qui_est_ce]

Obama took Ohio by 2% and Florida by 1.5% against McCain.

Raise your hands if you believe that Obama will do better than 2008 in those states.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Obama supports abortion
Obama supports infanticide (have you heard of partial birth abortion?)
Obama wants to redefine religion
Obama wants to redefine human rights
Obama wants to force Catholic employers to finance abortion, contraception, etc etc.
Obama is certainly not a friend of the Church
Are you?

he is not a friend to the middle class or small business owners either.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I think he will do worse

1. Catholics swinging Romney
2. It’s Romney, not McCain
3. Student turnout will probably be near 10%, not near 18%

 

[He_Man]

I still haven’t see how high employment, a record for lower median family income, a devalued dollar, and record deficits that enable record cumulative debt helps the poor?

The wealthy survive both democrats and republicans in the White House; very few others have that luxury.

What am I missing about Obama helping the poor and middle class?

 

[rlg94086]

I still haven’t see how high employment, a record for lower median family income, a devalued dollar, and record deficits that enable record cumulative debt helps the poor?

The wealthy survive both democrats and republicans in the White House; very few others have that luxury.

What am I missing about Obama helping the poor and middle class?

He has provided them fantastic rhetoric and plenty of envy and hatred for those who are doing better than they are.

Having someone to blame is much, much more important than actually being able to afford housing, food, et al, and being gainfully employed.

 

[CMatt25]

No need to apologize. You are perfectly within your rights to believe what you do.

I just happen to see things differently and do not buy into the scenario you describe. I live in Massachusetts where people who make up to 130% of the poverty level get free healthcare through Medicaid. Those who do not qualify get subsidized coverage based on their income level. Nobody pays a tax unless they refuse to pay into a system that is there for them when they need it. That is reality.

I’m sorry that Romney, who has given all of this to us through Romneycare, would deny it to the rest of the nation by repealing Obamacare. It just doesn’t seem fair to the poor, sick and elderly who happen to live in states where the ruling party thinks access to food, housing and health care are not life issues.

It’s not fair. I live in a state with a conservative legislature and a Tea Party governor elected in the midterm wave. But who polls suggested within a yr voters were having 2nd thoughts about putting into office… At any rate he seems uninterested in working with Obamacare. And I’m just grateful to God we will have federal guidelines then. Because it’s not fair the good people of a state like yours are not denied and others are. That’s why I don’t believe everything can be left to the states.

 

[rlg94086]

It’s not fair. I live in a state with a conservative legislature and a Tea Party governor elected in the midterm wave. But who polls suggested within a yr voters were having 2nd thoughts about putting into office… At any rate he seems uninterested in working with Obamacare. And I’m just grateful to God we will have federal guidelines then. Because it’s not fair the good people of a state like yours are not denied and others are. That’s why I don’t believe everything can be left to the states.

What is “not fair” about your elected representatives doing the will of the people in your state? Perhaps a move to Massachusetts would be a better idea for you?

 

[He_Man]

It’s not fair. I live in a state with a conservative legislature and a Tea Party governor elected in the midterm wave. But who polls suggested within a yr voters were having 2nd thoughts about putting into office… At any rate he seems uninterested in working with Obamacare. And I’m just grateful to God we will have federal guidelines then. Because it’s not fair the good people of a state like yours are not denied and others are. That’s why I don’t believe everything can be left to the states.

He represents the state’s overall interests. What is unfair about that? You think every person in every state gets their way?

 

[qui_est_ce]

I think he will do worse

1. Catholics swinging Romney
2. It’s Romney, not McCain
3. Student turnout will probably be near 10%, not near 18%

Sorry, I misread it as Romney will do better.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I think he will do worse

1. Catholics swinging Romney
2. It’s Romney, not McCain
3. Student turnout will probably be near 10%, not near 18%

Agree with all the above. Students are apathetic this year.

 

[CMatt25]

What is “not fair” about your elected representatives doing the will of the people in your state? Perhaps a move to Massachusetts would be a better idea for you?

Perhaps but there are many reasons why not everyone just pick up and move.

 

[He_Man]

Agree with all the above. Students are apathetic this year.

I do think though that if you could text your vote and based it off of who had the better singing voice, Obama would win.

 

[He_Man]

Perhaps but there are many reasons why not everyone just pick up and move.

Realistically, most people don’t move. The point is there is much that goes on in state legislatures and in the US Congress that doesn’t match every desire of every citizen. That is hardly new or unfair.

 

[RACJ]

I agree with CMatt also, but as Meltzer said, be prepared for the onslaught.

I would like to add that though I am pro life, I have discussed my choice extensively with my pastor and have read the USCCB Faithful Citizenship bulletin, and my personal feeling is that voting for Romney and Ryan and all they stand for would be a serious enough grave evil to sway my vote despite Obama’s pro choice stance. That’s my feeling and my opinion, having read, thought and studied–please don’t attack it and I won’t attack yours.

I am voting for Romney b/c I can’t turn a blind eye to the slaughter of the innocent, AND b/c I have not forgotten the past century littered with socialist and Communist economic failures which have led to unfathomable human carnage. Socialism always fails, although supporters manage to rationalize it and tell themselves that NOW we have the right people to try it.
For the past four years, I have seen enough contempt for Christianity, corruption and failure that I could never vote to sentence my daughters and granddaughter to life in a country facing permanent decline.
Think Keystone Pipeline rejection, Fast and Furious catastrophe, Solyndra payoffs to campaign bundlers, Obama"care", $6T debt jolt, fulfillment of BHO’s promise to cause energy costs to “skyrocket”, personal extravagance at taxpayer expense befitting of a king. That’s just for starters. America is dead if this strongman behavior is allowed to continue. :nope: Rob

 

[ringil]

So, you desire to die by being pierced through the heart by a fallen limb from a tree? I could think of better ways to go.

If you gotta go you might as well have a good view on the way out. . .

 

[rlg94086]

Realistically, most people don’t move. The point is there is much that goes on in state legislatures and in the US Congress that doesn’t match every desire of every citizen. That is hardly new or unfair.

I moved from California, and wild horses couldn’t drag me back there. I’ve turned down a few job opportunities, because I have a good memory. The higher pay sounds enticing, until you look at the cost of living, taxes, schools, etc. Even though my state and area aren’t as conservative as I am, it is 20x better than that!

…Taxachussets is similarly out of the question, of course. But, the liberals love it…paradise…

 

[rlg94086]

If you gotta go you might as well have a good view on the way out. . .

Now, death by maple syrup ingestion…

 

[ringil]

And Vermont winters can freeze the buttocks. My sister lives in Manchester Center. :snowing: :snowing: :winter:

It’s the heat that gets me, not the cold.

I couldn’t reside in your neck of the woods for example. I bet you guys get pretty brutal in the Summer- heck even in the Spring.

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

I am voting for Barack Obama because, in general, his vision of society is closer to mine than that of the current Republican party.

I recognize that there is a “life” issue, but, frankly since Ronald Reagan the “life” vote has been exploited by republicans to precious little effect. I don’t expect Romney to be any more pro-life than President Obama. And I find some of the interests that support Romney to be unspeakable.

As far as gay marriage goes, I expect that all religious groups that reject it will be faced with a new reality in the next decade. I am not happy about this, but President Obama is not driving the agenda at the state level.

 

[rlg94086]

I do think though that if you could text your vote and based it off of who had the better singing voice, Obama would win.