Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

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Hey, migueltojose, don’t give up hope, You must remember what Jesus told Peter in the Gospel of Matthew, " The gates of hell will not prevail against the Kingdom of God".
Too many here in these threads seem to have forgotten that Truth.
Welcome, and Peace, Carlan
I don’t think anyone is worried the Church will disappear.It has had to underground at various times in history, but has always survived.

God however made no such promises about America though. If we continue to turn our backs on Him, there are no guarantees He will protect our existence.
 
How can any Catholic vote for a party that endorses abortion as a “right” in its platform? The choice is quite clear regarding any vote for Obama/Biden from a Catholic perspective.

Hope?
Change?
Forward?
intangibles that can mean anything.

Pro-abortion platform? Now that speaks volumes!
I think its because Satan is still around…and He is blocking the truth…he is the MASTER of DECEPTION!

I don’t see any GOOD changes in the last 4 years…just MORE debt. MORE $ pushed for abortions, especially OVERSEAS with OUR TAX $. There is more fraud with food stamps, which is a program meant for the TRULY POOR. Obama WAVED the work requirement for crying out loud! And then there’s the fraud going around with the “free” cell phones!

Wake up…please wake up (this is directed at those who think Obama has been GOOD for our country)

I for one am going to get a donation sent to Saint Vincent De Paul Society very soon. Pretty sure there is very little fraud in that Charity!
 
Where in the world is that coming from? Of course, it is true, but I don’t see how it relates to anything in this thread
You are just being rude to me Robert.YOU KNOW QUITE WELL THAT I AM NOT VOTING FOR OUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION ON CHOICE OR "GAY MARRIAGE
Peace, Carlan
 
You are just being rude to me Robert.YOU KNOW QUITE WELL THAT I AM NOT VOTING FOR OUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION ON CHOICE OR "GAY MARRIAGE
Peace, Carlan
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU WOULD ASK ME ABOUT CHASTE HOMOSEXUALS WHEN I MENTIONED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE ISSUE!!

See? I can yell, too. 😛
 
You are just being rude to me Robert.YOU KNOW QUITE WELL THAT I AM NOT VOTING FOR OUR PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF HIS POSITION ON CHOICE OR "GAY MARRIAGE
Peace, Carlan
So? Does your vote for him count less than those who vote for him because of his stance on Homosexual Marriage and Abortion?

It looks like its time to remind people of what the CHURCH says:

**No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion," **

“*You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, **but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone,”
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Cardinal Burke

No issue of combination of issues rises to level of abortion. All rights flow from the right to life. Period.
 
So? Does your vote for him count less than those who vote for him because of his stance on Homosexual Marriage and Abortion?

It looks like its time to remind people of what the CHURCH says:

**No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion," **

“*You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, **but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone,” ***

Cardinal Burke

No issue of combination of issues rises to level of abortion. All rights flow from the right to life. Period.
Yep. I know people will yell “Godwin’s Law,” but, to me, it would be like saying “I didn’t support Hitler’s killing of the Jews (and others). I was supporting him for all the good things he did to build Germany up.” 🤷
 
I vote for neither, they are both just the same.

They are both anti-life, supporting endless war and abortion.
They both elitists who have no qualms with dismantling our Constitution.

Frankly, it is hard to judge which one is more evil… they are both just that low.
Open challenge to any Romney supporter. Provide one example of him participating in pro-life legislation. (Bering in mind that the governor has a role in legislation, as it is his pen that makes it law.) Because we all need to remember that Romney signed tax payer funded abortion into law AFTER his debunked “pro life conversion”.

Going by record, not rhetoric, Gary Johnson is more pro-life than Romney by far!

I’m voting for Virgil Goode - 100% Pro-Life, 100% Pro-Constitution.
http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/uploads/5/5/6/5/5565219/11833.jpg?604
 
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU WOULD ASK ME ABOUT CHASTE HOMOSEXUALS WHEN I MENTIONED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE ISSUE!!

See? I can yell, too. 😛
The answer is simple-it is an attempt to change the subject. All Catholics(actually all people of faith) should take to heart the Words of Archbishop Chaput

We should remember that one of the crucial things that set early Christians apart from the pagan culture around them was their rejection of abortion and infanticide. Yet for thirty-five years I’ve watched prominent “pro-choice” Catholics justify themselves with the kind of moral and verbal gymnastics that should qualify as an Olympic event. All they’ve really done is capitulate to Roe v. Wade.

Read more: blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2008/08/while-cardinal-george-the-pres.html#ixzz280rvUC3h
 
I vote for neither, they are both just the same.

They are both anti-life, supporting endless war and abortion.
They both elitists who have no qualms with dismantling our Constitution.

Frankly, it is hard to judge which one is more evil… they are both just that low.
Open challenge to any Romney supporter. Provide one example of him participating in pro-life legislation. (Bering in mind that the governor has a role in legislation, as it is his pen that makes it law.) Because we all need to remember that Romney signed tax payer funded abortion into law AFTER his debunked “pro life conversion”.

Going by record, not rhetoric, Gary Johnson is more pro-life than Romney by far!

I’m voting for Virgil Goode - 100% Pro-Life, 100% Pro-Constitution.
http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/uploads/5/5/6/5/5565219/11833.jpg?604
Is Pat Paulsen running this year?
 
Yep. I know people will yell “Godwin’s Law,” but, to me, it would be like saying “I didn’t support Hitler’s killing of the Jews (and others). I was supporting him for all the good things he did to build Germany up.” 🤷
People have been rationalizing supporting evil long before the 1940s.
 
I vote for neither, they are both just the same.

They are both anti-life, supporting endless war and abortion.
They both elitists who have no qualms with dismantling our Constitution.

Frankly, it is hard to judge which one is more evil… they are both just that low.
Open challenge to any Romney supporter. Provide one example of him participating in pro-life legislation. (Bering in mind that the governor has a role in legislation, as it is his pen that makes it law.) Because we all need to remember that Romney signed tax payer funded abortion into law AFTER his debunked “pro life conversion”.

Going by record, not rhetoric, Gary Johnson is more pro-life than Romney by far!

I’m voting for Virgil Goode - 100% Pro-Life, 100% Pro-Constitution.
http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/uploads/5/5/6/5/5565219/11833.jpg?604
The issue with Goode is… it’s too late, unless you want your vote to be a protest vote, symbolic vote, encourage a third party vote… because obviously he is not going to win and therefore you are taking away a vote for Romney, assuming that would be your next best alternative… which equates (mathematically, not your intent) as a vote for Obama…
 
Cardinal Burke

No issue of combination of issues rises to level of abortion. All rights flow from the right to life. Period.

Does this… Cardinal Burke… represent THE official position of the Church in this regard?

He left St Louis after protecting as many ‘naughty’ priests as he could… he alienated one of the biggest and best “old school” Catholic communities…
 
The issue with Goode is… it’s too late, unless you want your vote to be a protest vote, symbolic vote, encourage a third party vote… because obviously he is not going to win and therefore you are taking away a vote for Romney, assuming that would be your next best alternative… which equates (mathematically, not your intent) as a vote for Obama…
Again,
I cannot tell which is more evil of the two. Romney is anti-life, Obama is anti-life.
Romney lies, and says he is pro-life, then signs taxpayer funded abortion into law.
Obama just openly promotes abortion.

Me voting for a genuine pro-life candidate is not “giving Obama the vote”.
Anyone voting for either Romney or Obama is 100% mathematically voting for abortion.

That’s right,
It’s your fault not mine.

I vote my conscience, no more no less.
 
I vote my conscience, no more no less.
That’s exactly what Burke says to do.

While he said for him “it is difficult to imagine what that proportionate reason would be”, Burke said “(the voter must) believe the politician’s stance on other moral issues outweighs the abortion issue.”“If the reasons are really proportionate, and the person remains clear about his or her opposition to abortion, that can be done,” Burke said.

“What is a proportionate reason to justify favoring the taking of an innocent, defenseless human life?” Burke asked.

Burke’s answer: “That’s the question that has to be answered in your conscience.”

lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2004/sep/04090703

So there ya go straight from Burke himself.

God bless each of us as we vote our consciences. Peace.
 
We should be praying for the mother and father lining up out side the abortion mill waiting to destroy their innocent babe, and Doctor and nurses who perform the unspeakable murders.As well as politicians who promote bad law ,both democrat and GOP, God is always waiting beside them convicting them with his actual grace, while they walk in with their minds closed to Him
.We thank him for all those who do repent finally and seek reconciliation,.
Talk from all of us is so cheap, better to spend time praying in front of the mills and on your knees in the presence of the Holy Sacrament!
Peace, Carlan
I see your point, Carlan. We need to do all the things you mention above, and more of it! Thanks for pointing that out. Now allow me to point out this: Did it ever occur to you that maybe God wants us to exercise our rights in this country we live in to vote out those politicians who want to perpetuate the slaughter of the unborn and keep it legal and accessible? Its not one or the other, Carlan - prayer OR political action. Its both. Think about it - if we as Catholics can’t even figure out the moral necessity of defeating a candidate who supports partial birth abortion, how can we sincerely pray to God to end abortion? It doesn’t make sense to me - perhaps you could explain.

Ishii
 
We should be praying for the mother and father lining up out side the abortion mill waiting to destroy their innocent babe, and Doctor and nurses who perform the unspeakable murders.As well as politicians who promote bad law ,both democrat and GOP, God is always waiting beside them convicting them with his actual grace, while they walk in with their minds closed to Him
.We thank him for all those who do repent finally and seek reconciliation,.
Talk from all of us is so cheap, better to spend time praying in front of the mills and on your knees in the presence of the Holy Sacrament!
Peace, Carlan
I forgot, Carlan: you didn’t answer my question at all. I’ll try again- you say, “re-elect Obama for the next 4 years and Hillary for the next 12” which, being that they are pro-abortion and would give us a solidly pro-abortion, pro-Roe V Wade court dominance, would ensure that the ***1.3 million abortions per year ***continue. That’s 15 million abortions, Carlan. Once again - how do you justifiy that?

Ishii
 
It doesn’t make sense to me - perhaps you could explain.

Ishii
Of course it doesn’t make sense to you Ishii. Your conscience is telling you something different than another’s conscience in regard to who to cast a vote for. It really isn’t that hard to understand. Everyone just pray on it and follow your consciences and be at peace. 🤷
 
Of course it doesn’t make sense to you Ishii. Your conscience is telling you something different than another’s conscience in regard to who to cast a vote for. it really isn’t that hard to understand. Everyone just pray on it and follow your consciences and be at peace. 🤷
No, Cmatt - explain how one can justify voting for candidates who will keep the abortion mills running - and ensure the legal slaughter of 15 million. Explain it to me.

Ishii
 
No, Cmatt - explain how one can justify voting for candidates who will keep the abortion mills running - and ensure the legal slaughter of 15 million. Explain it to me.

Ishii
Ishii, it’s already been explained by Obama voters why they are voting for Obama. That was the topic of the thread. To explain why you are voting for who you are. People of faith have done so on both sides. I know you don’t agree with the Obama voters justification and reasons and that’s fine. They obviously don’t agree with the way you see it. That’s just part of the American electoral process. Not everyone agrees. We have an election and see where the chips fall. Then we have another the next cycle.

Here’s how Burke explained it.

“What is a proportionate reason to justify favoring the taking of an innocent, defenseless human life?” Burke asked.

Burke: “That’s the question that has to be answered in your conscience.”

lifesitenews.com/news/arc…4/sep/04090703

Peace Ishii
 
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