Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

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Any women that has an abortion should be arrested for murder. I’m not buying that c rap about backroom abortions… its complete and total bs.

BTW if you really want to make it ‘sfe’ for these murderers… have the murder clinics go thru the same sterilization standards of their " operation room " that hospitals have to go thru.
joelskinc said:
Banning abortion will make people revert back to extremely unsafe abortions. Giving someone the safe environment to go through with an abortion and then be there for that person afterwards is what these ladies need.

If you’ve never sat down and spoken to a woman that had an abortion afterwards stop talking about the issue. You’re too disconnected.
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Al_Moritz said:
Precisely. That is also why the whole “you have to vote for the pro-life candidate” argument is hogwash. But the Tea Party Catholics here are simply too blind to see.
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yes, we’re aware the Democrat Party is on a big campaign in the mainstream media to get the Repubs to repudiate conservative and/or Tea Party principles and vice versa. I didn’t realize it would reach into CAF, but it’s amusing that we’re seeing a rush of it right now. So it must be the major Democrat strategy at present; perhaps to get Repub leadership to “go moderate” (pro abortion especially) in the belief it will somehow help them, but which will lose their core constituency.

About half clever, I guess. I don’t see the Dems shedding their pro-death people, though.
 
50% catholic vote approved policies of death. The time for accountability is long passed. Whoever, whatever voted for the agenda of evil is in Legion with evil. Love my enemies? Oh yes… I will pray for them once my heel has extinguished the last gasp of breath they take. Evil does not love you, but it dances with joy every time you fail to hold it accountable. Pray for the impostors…go ahead. I call evil out…and expose it for the lie that it is.
 
joelskinc said:
you’re disgusting.
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Uncalled for and might get you banned.

But if he’s disgusting, then you have to say Cdl George is as well, who said (paraphrasing)
“I’ll die in bed. My successor will die in jail. His successor will die as a martyr in the public square.”

Do you find Cardinal George disgusting too?
 
Al_Moritz said:
Ok, I voted Obama, and I believe his economic policies vs. the failed Republican ‘trickle down’ economics will lead to less abortions because economic pressure will be taken away (just watch how the 12 million jobs that Romney promised over the next four years will be created under Obama), but what ‘positive campaign against abortions’ are you talking about?
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Apart from the major programs for ‘Poverty alleviation’ and ‘affordable health care’ which indirectly work towards bringing down abortions, there was also state spending on awareness against abortion
 
joelskinc said:
Banning abortion will make people revert back to extremely unsafe abortions. Giving someone the safe environment to go through with an abortion and then be there for that person afterwards is what these ladies need.

If you’ve never sat down and spoken to a woman that had an abortion afterwards stop talking about the issue. You’re too disconnected.
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I have news for you, I have; teen girls whose lives have been altered forever, not because they got pregnant, but because some “wise thinking liberal” thought it was good to outlaw parental notification of an impending abortion. How many young girls will choose to notify their parents in this situation if they know they have all the options and protections AGAINST THIER PARENST WILL? I say in my experience, very few. This is sad, who is best to do what is right for their child but the parent?

I am a parent of three teens and work in youth ministry every week. You have no idea what devastation legal access to abortion has done in this world. If you did, you would be fighting against it rather than trying to make people who do fight the scourge of abortion feel guilty of their fight.

As too the banning of abortion leading to “back alley abortions”, this is a scare tactic by the left. Will there be some? Yes, but this would be rare and no less safe to the child than a legal one, so don’t bring up rare and safe because abortions are neither rare nor safe today in America.
 
joelskinc said:
Banning abortion will make people revert back to extremely unsafe abortions. Giving someone the safe environment to go through with an abortion and then be there for that person afterwards is what these ladies need.
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This is just a cop out. Simply allowing evil because something bad will happen if we ban it is a lame excuse.

By that logic, we should make bank robberies legal.
joelskinc said:
If you’ve never sat down and spoken to a woman that had an abortion afterwards stop talking about the issue. You’re too disconnected.
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Maybe we should tell women about other options. Or maybe we should tell women not to have sex if they are unwilling to accept the consequences.
 
Pitcharan said:
I am not defending anyone’s right. I am just telling you that elected people’s representatives have an unalienable right to legislate as deemed fit after much deliberation, discussion and debates. That does not mean they are legalizing some wrongs; they are merely letting people be their own judges for certain wrongs.

Your personal views may be noble but cannot be imposed on others. God did not give us a duty to decide how to penalise sinners. Obama is performing his sacred duty in an exemplary manner and it is unfair to fault him with all these negative rhetoric. His concern for the life of unborn defenceless babies is second to none. Yet he can be nobody’s conscience keeper.
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:eek:

This is a man that said he wouldn’t want his daughters “punished” with a baby. What? He would rather that his daughters kill his grandchildren???

He has NO concern for the unborn. And in fact, didn’t want them to receive medical care of their mother had opted for an abortion. I guess, in Obama’s world, if you go in for an abortion, you MUST get a dead baby.
 
Lapey said:
I have news for you, I have; teen girls whose lives have been altered forever, not because they got pregnant, but because some “wise thinking liberal” thought it was good to outlaw parental notification of an impending abortion. How many young girls will choose to notify their parents in this situation if they know they have all the options and protections AGAINST THIER PARENST WILL? I say in my experience, very few. This is sad, who is best to do what is right for their child but the parent?

I am a parent of three teens and work in youth ministry every week. You have no idea what devastation legal access to abortion has done in this world. If you did, you would be fighting against it rather than trying to make people who do fight the scourge of abortion feel guilty of their fight.

As too the banning of abortion leading to “back alley abortions”, this is a scare tactic by the left. Will there be some? Yes, but this would be rare and no less safe to the child than a legal one, so don’t bring up rare and safe because abortions are neither rare nor safe today in America.
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I just wanted to take a minute from this heated discussion to say thank you for your work.
 
JMJSHJ said:
To the Catholics who voted for Obama:

Even if you had genuine doubts that Romney would do anything to stop abortion, that doesn’t justify from a moral position a vote for Pres Obama. Do you honestly think he will do anything to stop abortion? What has his track record been on that?

No sincere (informed) Catholic can ever justify voting for Pres. Obama.
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“No one is Pro-Abortion” - Barack Obama

It would appear that relegating the problem that women, including Catholic women, choose abortion to the Government and the laws of the land is not a prudent strategy.
 
Pitcharan said:
Apart from the major programs for ‘Poverty alleviation’ and ‘affordable health care’ which indirectly work towards bringing down abortions, there was also state spending on awareness against abortion
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You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not live here in America so don’t try to tell me what Obama stands for, he has proven to me what he stands for. From the very beginning he has stood for abortion rights, now we have insurance rate payers, and tax payers paying for them along with contraception. That is fact, your statement is just false.
 
Im beginning to think he is trying to stir the pot… I mean WoW!!!
maryjk said:
:eek:

This is a man that said he wouldn’t want his daughters “punished” with a baby. What? He would rather that his daughters kill his grandchildren???

He has NO concern for the unborn. And in fact, didn’t want them to receive medical care of their mother had opted for an abortion. I guess, in Obama’s world, if you go in for an abortion, you MUST get a dead baby.
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Lapey said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. You do not live here in America so don’t try to tell me what Obama stands for, he has proven to me what he stands for. From the very beginning he has stood for abortion rights, now we have insurance rate payers, and tax payers paying for them along with contraception. That is fact, your statement is just false.
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Our “poverty alieveation programs” have proven not to alievate poverty in any meaningful way over the last 50-75 years.

In fact, I would say it has made things worse. We now have an underclass of people that are perpetually poor. And, now when we are looking at $16 Trillion in national debt, anyone who wants to address the viability of such programs so that they are still there for the truly needy are called unpatriotic bigots.
 
Lapey said:
…I am a parent of three teens and work in youth ministry every week. You have no idea what devastation legal access to abortion has done in this world. If you did, you would be fighting against it rather than trying to make people who do fight the scourge of abortion feel guilty of their fight…
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I admire your service and would love to join you if I were an American. But I disagree with your assessment of the situation. Parental failures in providing good upbringing cannot be blamed on legislations.

My wife conceived the second time at the age of 43 and the doctor told us that there is significant chance of a deformed baby and advised us to opt for abortion. We refused and were prepared to bring up a deformed baby. The Laws in our country gave us the liberty to decide for or against abortion but our upbringing was good and we could never be so selfish. It was not a sacrifice but mere duty driven by conscience.

How do you conclude that those who made the Laws are less concerned than you about this social evil. They love their daughters and sisters as much as you do. Obama has conscience and feelings that are as good as that of Blessed Mother Teresa. Maligning him and wrongly attributing the whole evil to be his making, is totally unfair.
 
TROLL ALERT!

You’re just here to start fights… IMO.
Pitcharan said:
I admire your service and would love to join you if I were an American. But I disagree with your assessment of the situation. Parental failures in providing good upbringing cannot be blamed on legislations. How do you conclude that those who made the Laws are less concerned than you about this social evil. They love their daughters and sisters as much as you do. Obama has conscience and feelings that are as good as that of Mother Teresa. Maligning him and wrongly attributing the whole evil to be his making, is totally unfair.
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