Obama's day: National Prayer Breakfast

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qui_est_ce said:
I guess all that other stuff is okay then, since raping 10 year old girls is not in there.

And we can assume 9 year old Aisha gave consent to sex with Mohammed.
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Darryl1958 said:
I am pretty sure it is still rape, whether it or not a prepubescent says its okay for an old guy to do her.

It is in Canada anyway. Maybe for liberals though, in other countries, this is all relative.
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Agreed. But with states pushing to lower the age of consent, and PP teaching 4th graders how to have sex, that will soon change.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
Technically, he’s right. We killed Muslims in the name of God, in order to protect pilgrims travelling in the Holy Land.

I’m sure 'Bama’s intent with it is derogatory, but that doesn’t make him wrong.
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The difference being Jesus Christ didn’t tell the Crusaders to, they made up their own justifications… contrast that with Muhammed who was extremely violent from the get go - see the verses from the Quran below.

“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.”

Quran 48:29

“The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.”

Quran 98:6,

“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.”

Quran 9:123
 
Tomdstone said:
Actually, in the US and even in some Catholic schools, there have been sex education programs for 1st, 2nd and 3rd graders.
education.com/reference/article/Ref_Theres_No_Place_1st/
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Interesting, I remember this from a few years back when it came up with Obama.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.factcheck.org%2F2008%2F09%2Foff-base-on-sex-ed%2F&ei=6ZTbVK3mGJWuyAS9gIG4Cg&usg=AFQjCNHdzx-_DVlHlD3sikGRqB_Ph229ow

I believe it started in Chicago too if my mind serves me well.
He[Obama] was a cosponsor of what became the Chicago Education Reform Act of 2003, which allowed for an increase in the number of Chicago charter schools and required the Chicago Board of Education to enter into a formal partnership with the Chicago Teachers Union to “advance the Chicago Public Schools to the next level of education reform.”
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I believe he just used this phrase the past couple of weeks…
“it’s the right thing to do"
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What is?
 
qui_est_ce said:
Agreed. But with states pushing to lower the age of consent, and PP teaching 4th graders how to have sex, that will soon change.
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More and more people have bigger priorities than the well-being of ten year old girls, for sure.
 
Tomdstone said:
So you dispute the fides news report and the eyewitness testimony at the time? Do you also dispute the fact that popes have prayed in a Moslem mosque and that prayers from the Koran have been recited at the Vatican?
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Could the Pope visit Mecca and pray and read passages from the bible?
 
Tomdstone said:
The point is that people on this thread have alleged that Moslems crucify other Christians and rape ten year old girls on the advise of their Prophet. I don’t see the evidence where the Prophet has advised that 10 year old girls be raped or that Christians be crucified.
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The truth is that Muslims HAVE crucified Christians and Christian children. The truth is that Muslims do have sex with prepubescent girls against their will. In the civilized West that is considered rape and is punished.

I find nothing from the prophet condemning such atrocities.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Sure he could.

The Russian Catholic Church is a Byzantine Rite that is in Communion with Rome.
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No he can’t and the second sentence has nothing to do with the first. The Pope visiting Moscow has been a work in progress for years.
 
GaryTaylor said:
No he can’t and the second sentence has nothing to do with the first. The Pope visiting Moscow has been a work in progress for years.
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If it has been a work in progress…then it is possible.

The statement about the Russian Byzantine Church being in Communion with Rome is important to note because the Pope is the spiritual leader and head of that Church. Therefore he would have every right to visit his “flock” just as he visits Catholics world wide.

But more to my point…If popes have prayed in Mosques and the Koran was read in the Vatican why couldn’t the pope visit and pray in Mecca?
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
If it has been a work in progress…then it is possible.

The statement about the Russian Byzantine Church being in Communion with Rome is important to note because the Pope is the spiritual leader and head of that Church. Therefore he would have every right to visit his “flock” just as he visits Catholics world wide.

But more to my point…If popes have prayed in Mosques and the Koran was read in the Vatican why couldn’t the pope visit and pray in Mecca?
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Anything is possible and its possible in Mecca too, and the relations have warmed in the Church, perhaps travel of a Pope to Russia may also be a serious reality one day.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Anything is possible and its possible in Mecca too, and the relations have warmed in the Church, perhaps travel of a Pope to Russia may also be a serious reality one day.
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I suppose it would possible for the Holy Father to visit and pray from the Bible in Mecca when Muslims finally reject Islam and return to the True Faith.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
If it has been a work in progress…then it is possible.

The statement about the Russian Byzantine Church being in Communion with Rome is important to note because the Pope is the spiritual leader and head of that Church. Therefore he would have every right to visit his “flock” just as he visits Catholics world wide.

But more to my point…If popes have prayed in Mosques and the Koran was read in the Vatican why couldn’t the pope visit and pray in Mecca?
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Only Muslims can step into Mecca, and Bibles in Saudi Arabia are contraband.
 
quran.com/5/33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
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As for what Pope Francis thinks of this, he wept at the reports.
frontpagemag.com/2014/raymond-ibrahim/christians-crucified-again-for-refusing-islam/
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The fact is, crucifixion is a prescribed form of punishment in the Koran (5:33) and occurs throughout the Islamic world with much greater frequency than suggested by the Daily Mail. For example:
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Iraq, June 2008: A Canadian parliamentary committee heard about how “militant Muslims” were crucifying Christian children in order to terrorize Christians into fleeing Iraq: “Since the war began in 2003, about 12 children, many as young as 10, have been kidnapped and killed, then nailed to makeshift crosses near their homes to terrify and torment their parents.”
Ivory Coast, May 2011: Two Christian peasant brothers were “brutally crucified” on “the example of Christ” by Muslim forces accusing them of being supportive of the ousted Christian president. One died, while the other survived: “The pair were badly beaten and tortured before being crudely nailed to cross-shaped planks by their hands and feet with steel spikes.”
Egypt, August 2012: Multiple media agencies reported that during one uprisal against Islamist president Muhammad Morsi, Muslim Brotherhood operatives crucified some protesters on trees. Earlier, a Salafi MP in Egypt called for the penal codification of crucifixion.
Yemen, August 2012, a video of a man crucified on the accusation of spying for the U.S. appeared on video. A sign placed above his head quotes Koran 5:33: “The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.”
Of course, if one delves into Islamic history, one learns that crucifixions were extremely common. For example, Witnesses For Christ: Orthodox Christian Neomartyrs of the Ottoman Period 1437-1860 lists crucifixion as one of the many forms thousands of Christians were executed by the Muslim Turks.
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sps49 said:
Please. The President has little credibility when speaking to us from the bully pulpit about shame and humility. His clumsy attempt to wave his moral equivalence magic wand looked forced and absurd at the same time.

What gives you the impression that that IS will consider us a non-threat by anything other than our complete surrender? Jordan seems to be willing to engage with a type of dialog that IS understands. I am not sure what Jordan’s success will be is the long run, but I get the impression that they are concerned with their security and are taking this seriously.
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I’m hopeful about Jordan.
 
Be nice to be more hopeful about Saudi Arabia, 4 largest military expenditure in the world and the US middle east partner. I don’t see them leading the way in reform or fighting terrorists. They should have plenty of troops on the ground and air support. They who are the care takers on Mecca and Medina should be “leading the way” in the name of the prophet.
During a TV show, Saudi historian Saleh Al-Saadoon said that women should not be allowed to drive on the grounds that they might get raped if their car broke down on the roadside. “[Western women] don’t care if they are raped on the roadside, but we do”, he said on the January 11, 2015 show on the Saudi Rotana Khalijiyya TV.
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A Islamic Ph.D. went on television to argue seriously that women who drive in other countries “don’t care if they are raped by the roadside.”
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
That sounds rather “One Way” to me.
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It is supremacist.
It is the kind of thing that led Pope Benedict to recognize that this was not the time to dialogue with Muslims, which would require a common ground, but instead to work toward reciprocity.

It is one thing for John Paul II to apologize to Jews for Catholic sins, because the sins were for over a thousand years rather ‘one way’. Catholics had the power.
To apologize to Muslims on the other hand, ought to come with the expectation of reciprocity. For the larger amount of our shared history, the power balance has belonged to the Muslims. This includes the age of the Crusades as well.
John Paul made his apologies anyway, and now Obama , even if he does not personally identify with those sins whatsoever, does the same on our behalf.
It is galling, and arrogant, and demeaning, and misinformed.

What we as Christians might expect is some reciprocity. Love is a two way street. If is is all “One Way”, suffice it to say that no love is involved.
 
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