Obama's day: National Prayer Breakfast

[meltzerboy]

I did some research and I found that contrary to what you have claimed, there is no writing from Mohammed which advocates raping 10 year old girls or for crucifying Christians. On the contrary, in my research I have found that the Holy Father, Catholic Pope has actually kissed the Koran which you claim advocates these evil things. If it is so, as you say, then why is the Catholic Pope, who is the Holy Father and the Supreme Head of the Catholic Church kissing the Koran? Further, I have researched this and found that the marriage to Aisha was consummated when she was 19 years old as the link above has shown.
Why are you trying to discredit Islam by stating untrue tall tales?

FYI, there was some discussion on CAF a while back about the Pope’s kissing the Qur’an. It was pointed out that the Pope did NOT kiss the Qur’an but rather kissed the Bible used by Orthodox Christianity.

 

[Tomdstone]

FYI, there was some discussion on CAF a while back about the Pope’s kissing the Qur’an. It was pointed out that the Pope did NOT kiss the Qur’an but rather kissed the Bible used by Orthodox Christianity.

Not true according to this article:
fatherjoe.wordpress.com/instructions/debates/anti-catholicism/pope-john-paul-ii-kisses-the-koran/
I can see why you would want to deny it ever happened.
Also:
According to the fides news agency, the Information service of the Pontifical Mission Societies since 1927: 11/6/1999
Rome (Fides) – “At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Koran presented to him by the delegation and he kissed it as a sign of respect.” This was said by Raphael Bidawid, Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans who told Fides about his audience with Pope John Paul II on May 14th when he was received with a delegation composed of the Shiite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni President of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank and also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion.

 

[meltzerboy]

Not true according to this article:
fatherjoe.wordpress.com/instructions/debates/anti-catholicism/pope-john-paul-ii-kisses-the-koran/
I can see why you would want to deny it ever happened.
Also:
According to the fides news agency, the Information service of the Pontifical Mission Societies since 1927: 11/6/1999
Rome (Fides) – “At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Koran presented to him by the delegation and he kissed it as a sign of respect.” This was said by Raphael Bidawid, Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans who told Fides about his audience with Pope John Paul II on May 14th when he was received with a delegation composed of the Shiite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni President of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank and also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion.

I have no interest in denying this happened. In fact, I would prefer if it did happen because it would reveal respect for another people’s faith. However, I distinctly recall the holy book which Pope John Paul II kissed was other than the Qur’an. If I can find the thread in which this topic was discussed, I will reference it.

 

[GaryTaylor]

because it would reveal respect for another people’s faith.

Usually helpful for dialogue. Its part of the reason Obama spoke as he did. We don’t need to excite hate and create condemnation of an entire faith. Which now became tit for tat here and a very predictable counter productive path.

 

[Darryl1958]

I did some research and I found that contrary to what you have claimed, there is no writing from Mohammed which advocates raping 10 year old girls or for crucifying Christians. On the contrary, in my research I have found that the Holy Father, Catholic Pope has actually kissed the Koran which you claim advocates these evil things. If it is so, as you say, then why is the Catholic Pope, who is the Holy Father and the Supreme Head of the Catholic Church kissing the Koran? Further, I have researched this and found that the marriage to Aisha was consummated when she was 19 years old as the link above has shown.
Why are you trying to discredit Islam by stating untrue tall tales?

If you already know, then why keep asking me?
And now that you are the expert, no need to bring the argument to me. I am not a Muslim. I don’t follow Mohammed either way.
Instead, issue your fatwas against those Islamists and Ayatollahs who use Mohammed as their example to do exactly what you are confident that he didn’t actually do.
Because obviously, the truth is on your side, and they know nothing about Islam, according to your own research.

Also, according to your research, do hadith equate to Koran?

 

[Darryl1958]

Usually helpful for dialogue. Its part of the reason Obama spoke as he did. We don’t need to excite hate and create condemnation of an entire faith. Which now became tit for tat here and a very predictable counter productive path.

It is profound disrespect for Catholicism actually to equate it with Islamists.

 

[Darryl1958]

I have no interest in denying this happened. In fact, I would prefer if it did happen because it would reveal respect for another people’s faith. However, I distinctly recall the holy book which Pope John Paul II kissed was other than the Qur’an. If I can find the thread in which this topic was discussed, I will reference it.

Oh, I didn’t know that.
I thought it was the Koran too.
Of course, every time that JPII got off the plane, he kissed dirt. He was our kissingest pope.

 

[Darryl1958]

I guess all that other stuff is okay then, since raping 10 year old girls is not in there.

And we can assume 9 year old Aisha gave consent to sex with Mohammed.

I am pretty sure it is still rape, whether it or not a prepubescent says its okay for an old guy to do her.

It is in Canada anyway. Maybe for liberals though, in other countries, this is all relative.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I am pretty sure it is still rape, whether it or not a prepubescent says its okay for an old guy to do her.

It is in Canada anyway. Maybe for liberals though, in other countries, this is all relative.

Did Canada condemn the Quran and rule something we should know about Mohammed? Or are you just attempting to be as insulting as possible and contrary to a months worth of conversation from the Pope? Of what benefit is there in doing exactly opposite of what the Pope stated. Its a foolish conversation. There’s nothing productive in it.

What is the Popes view on Islam. do you share it?

 

[GaryTaylor]

It is profound disrespect for Catholicism actually to equate it with Islamists.

Thats your opinion which I don’t share.

 

[Darryl1958]

Did Canada condemn the Quran and rule something we should know about Mohammed?

Why would you even ask such a thing?

On a related note, did you beat your wife yesterday?

Or are you just attempting to be as insulting as possible and contrary to a months worth of conversation from the Pope?

As far as I know, the popes are not okay with sex with prepubscent girls either. I certainly think that the laws on these matters are very similar in Vatican than they are in Canada.
But if you think that is the case everywhere, you just haven’t been paying attention, or maybe you just don’t much care what happens to these girls.

Of what benefit is there in doing exactly opposite of what the Pope stated. Its a foolish conversation. There’s nothing productive in it.

The pope never stated that the truth was not important.
You do not have the pope in your back pocket to use against me.

What is the Popes view on Islam. do you share it?

The popes have had many views on Islam over the years. There is absoilutely no indication that this pope thinks that sex with prepubescents is okay. He in fact has a reputation of cleaning house of the scandals.
Ignore what I have stated, and hide beneath the pope’s cassock, at your own leisure.
The truth however is never uncharitable.

 

[GaryTaylor]

GaryTaylor;12741524:

Why would you even ask such a thing?

On a related note, did you beat your wife yesterday?

As far as I know, the popes are not okay with sex with prepubscent girls either.

The pope never stated that the truth was not important.
You do not have the pope in your back pocket to use against me.

The popes have had many views on Islam over the years.
Ignore what I have stated, and hide beneath the pope’s cassock, at your own leisure.
The truth however is never uncharitable.

You pay no attention to your own countries view on Islam nor the Popes. Your immature conversation doesn’t interest me.

 

[Darryl1958]

Thats your opinion which I don’t share.

I have back up my opinion with clear and consistent argument.

 

[Darryl1958]

You pay no attention to your own countries view on Islam nor the Popes. Your immature conversation doesn’t interest me.

That is a lie about me.

And with that, we’re done for lack of any substantial counter argument.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I have back up my opinion with clear and consistent argument.

You have done no such thing your “agenda” is to bang on about what you don’t like about Islam. Contrary to the Popes encyclical and last few months of dialogue. There is no dialogue here. And its impossible to have one with them on the path you chose.

 

[GaryTaylor]

That is a lie about me.

And with that, we’re done for lack of any substantial counter argument.

There has never been a conversation, your were under that impression? There has been just insulting comments of these peoples faith. Insulting them won’t stop the boy being flogged in SA. Thats not the path. Blasphemy is a real issue, inciting muslims won’t help. It escalates the issue.

No comparative argument is exactly alike. Two Popes apologized for the Crusades. They didn’t do that for nothing.

 

[Tomdstone]

However, I distinctly recall the holy book which Pope John Paul II kissed was other than the Qur’an.

So you dispute the fides news report and the eyewitness testimony at the time? Do you also dispute the fact that popes have prayed in a Moslem mosque and that prayers from the Koran have been recited at the Vatican?

 

[GaryTaylor]

So you dispute the fides news report and the eyewitness testimony at the time? Do you also dispute the fact that popes have prayed in a Moslem mosque and that prayers from the Koran have been recited at the Vatican?

What is the point, obviously there is a commitment to improving relations between Christians and Muslims. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim prayers were all offered in an “Invocation for Peace.” in 2014 at the Vatican, the Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew I, also attended.

 

[Tomdstone]

What is the point,…

The point is that people on this thread have alleged that Moslems crucify other Christians and rape ten year old girls on the advise of their Prophet. I don’t see the evidence where the Prophet has advised that 10 year old girls be raped or that Christians be crucified.

 

[Darryl1958]

It does not say to rape 10 year old girls.

The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

That is right. Not ten. The example he set was to have sex with a nine year old, not a ten year old., according to the sources that Islamists go by.
Some call that rape. Legally in Canada, that is called rape. Others consider that a nine or ten year old girl is able to give consent to sex.
I don’t believe that a nine year old is able to give consent.
Do you?

I realize you have other sources which you consider more authoritative.
Issue a fatwa then, since your version of the Islamic myth is more authoritative than that of the Ayatollahs and other Islamists who obviously follow the incorrect information on their religion.

When the USA dropped an a bomb on Japan, was it targeting and raping the infants who died in the attack?

It is your question. I would say no.
Why do you consider a bomb the same thing as a rape?
The whole question appears ludicrous.

But I would say that what Japanese men did to the women of Nanking and their comfort women of who knows what ages constituted rape, even if there came a point to where the girls weren;t bother to say ‘no’ any more.