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Tomdstone said:
When did Mohammed advise anyone to commit these evil deeds? Or are you just making this up?
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Quran (8:12) - *“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” *

Quran (9:29) - “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Quran (33:60-62) - “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.”

Quran (47:3-4) - *"Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… *

Bukhari (52:177) - *Allah’s Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.” *

Bukhari (52:256) - *The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” *

Muslim (20:4645) - “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

Tabari 9:69 *“Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” *
 
GaryTaylor said:
And they will need to work together and with Obama or face losing control in 2016.
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Congress does not work with Obama, no one works with Obama, all anyone can do with Obama according to Obama is exactly what he says they are to do.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Shutting down government is extreme I’m sure you agree.
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When exactly was the government shut down? I remember occasions during which some agencies were operating in a reduced status and per this administrations instructions those were chosen to be as painful to the public as possible. That’s called vengeance not shut down.

When the president and congress cannot come to terms over the budget there is little alternative other than to take a hard stand, both congress and the president have used this strategy often and will likely continue the practice.
 
estesbob said:
Quran (8:12) - *“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” *

Quran (9:29) - “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Quran (33:60-62) - “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.”

Quran (47:3-4) - *"Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… *

Bukhari (52:177) - *Allah’s Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.” *

Bukhari (52:256) - *The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” *

Muslim (20:4645) - “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

Tabari 9:69 *“Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” *
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So? There is nothing there about raping 10 year old girls. . Was this made up to make Islam look bad? Where did Mohammed say to rape 10 year old girls?
 
Tomdstone said:
So? There is nothing there about raping 10 year old girls. . Was this made up to make Islam look bad? Where did Mohammed say to rape 10 year old girls?
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I guess all that other stuff is okay then, since raping 10 year old girls is not in there.

And we can assume 9 year old Aisha gave consent to sex with Mohammed.
 
qui_est_ce said:
I guess all that other stuff is okay then, since raping 10 year old girls is not in there.
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So it was a tall tale made up about raping 10 year old girls? Are you trying to make Islam look bad by spreading falsehoods about it?
 
qui_est_ce said:
And we can assume 9 year old Aisha gave consent to sex with Mohammed.
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No, she was 19 not 9 years old.
Please see the link below according to which:
“We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously.”
muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
 
Tomdstone said:
So? There is nothing there about raping 10 year old girls. . Was this made up to make Islam look bad? Where did Mohammed say to rape 10 year old girls?
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Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.

Quran 2:223, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34
 
Darryl1958 said:
But please, do the research yourself.
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I did some research and I found that contrary to what you have claimed, there is no writing from Mohammed which advocates raping 10 year old girls or for crucifying Christians. On the contrary, in my research I have found that the Holy Father, Catholic Pope has actually kissed the Koran which you claim advocates these evil things. If it is so, as you say, then why is the Catholic Pope, who is the Holy Father and the Supreme Head of the Catholic Church kissing the Koran? Further, I have researched this and found that the marriage to Aisha was consummated when she was 19 years old as the link above has shown.
Why are you trying to discredit Islam by stating untrue tall tales?
 
estesbob said:
Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please.

Quran 2:223, “The Cow,” Dawood, p. 34
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It says women. Not 10 year old girls. Why are you trying to discredit Islam and their prophet Mohammed? Why don’t you follow the Holy Father of the Catholic Church who has kissed the Koran?

In any case the passage you have quoted does not say to put to death men and women, children and infants, as the Catholic Bible says in 1 Samuel 15:3.
 
Tomdstone said:
It says women. Not 10 year old girls. Why are you trying to discredit Islam and their prophet Mohammed? Why don’t you follow the Holy Father of the Catholic Church who has kissed the Koran?

In any case the passage you have quoted does not say to put to death men and women, children and infants, as the Catholic Bible says in 1 Samuel 15:3.
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Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
 
Tomdstone said:
No, she was 19 not 9 years old.
Please see the link below according to which:
“We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously.”
muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
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The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
 
estesbob said:
Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
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It does not say to rape 10 year old girls. When the USA dropped an a bomb on Japan, was it targeting and raping the infants who died in the attack?
 
estesbob said:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
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The following article explains why this report is not historically credible and that the correct age of the consummation of the marriage with Aisha is 19 years old:
muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
 
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