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sweetcharity
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My favorite quote from this article is,
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If your starting point is the crusades, I find it interesting how far one group has advanced, compared to the other.
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7_Sorrows
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Exactly! (Responding to your last quote)
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Ridgerunner
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RACJ
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Obama’s modus operandi has always been to intimidate opponents into silence by poking sticks in their eyes, or, as he has said, “bring(ing) a gun to a knife fight”. His intemperate diatribe would have been seen as merely stupid, boring and bigoted, were it not for the machinery of his corrupt exective branch backing him. :nunchuk:
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qui_est_ce
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While this is a bit off topic, Catholicism greatly influenced American history. So many religious orders came to the US and established schools and hospitals. Catholicism came to be scorned when the Irish and Italians immigrations began, resulting in such signs as, “Irish need not apply.” The upper class were mostly protestant, WASP’S (white anglo-saxon protestant). In my city, fallen away Catholics are the 2nd greatest “denomination” after Catholic.
I’d be willing to bet the percent of practicing Catholics is much higher in the US than in Catholic Europe.
Anyway, short generalization.
I’d be willing to bet the percent of practicing Catholics is much higher in the US than in Catholic Europe.
Anyway, short generalization.
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squawk
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The reason “why” is because by looking at ourselves first, we can better make a decision as to how to handle the problem. Our first resolve is to handle it in a worldly manner, but the best response is found in Christ’s Word.
p.s. I am not suggesting that Obama had this in mind…
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Darryl1958
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nationalreview.com/article/398230/islams-countless-slaves-ralph-peters/page/0/1
Did anybody at all have this in mind when the POTUS tsked-tsked about slavery?
If the topic is history, let’s cover the topic fairly, and stop pretended that slavery began and ended in the Mississippi delta.
Did anybody at all have this in mind when the POTUS tsked-tsked about slavery?
If the topic is history, let’s cover the topic fairly, and stop pretended that slavery began and ended in the Mississippi delta.
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PeopleB4Things
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**"As a Christian I want to say at this point: yes, it is true, in the course of history, force has also been used in the name of the Christian faith. We acknowledge it with great shame. …
The post-Enlightenment critique of religion has repeatedly maintained that religion is a cause of violence and in this way it has fueled hostility towards religions. The fact that, in the case we are considering here, religion really does motivate violence should be profoundly disturbing to us as religious persons. In a way that is more subtle but no less cruel, we also see religion as the cause of violence when force is used by the defenders of one religion against others. The religious delegates who were assembled in Assisi in 1986 wanted to say, and we now repeat it emphatically and firmly: this is not the true nature of religion. It is the antithesis of religion and contributes to its destruction."** - Pope Benedict, October 2011.
Pres Obama referenced our shame in his comments. I hope we can approach ISIS as repented sinners who struggled with our own human propensity for godless violence. Maybe we can help guide them through their own struggles toward a better, more worthy existence. But it will only work if we appear to them not as a threat but as a good Samaritan. Praying that the Vatican, Pres Obama and other world leaders succeed in finding a solution.
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PeopleB4Things
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Except from MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION: THE CHURCH AND THE FAULTS OF THE PAST, vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000307_memory-reconc-itc_en.html
5.3. The Use of Force in the Service of Truth
To the counter-witness of the division between Christians should be added that of the various occasions in the past millennium when doubtful means were employed in the pursuit of good ends, such as the proclamation of the Gospel or the defense of the unity of the faith. “Another sad chapter of history to which the sons and daughters of the Church must return with a spirit of repentance is that of the acquiescence given, especially in certain centuries, to intolerance and even the use of force in the service of truth.”(78) This refers to forms of evangelization that employed improper means to announce the revealed truth or did not include an evangelical discernment suited to the cultural values of peoples or did not respect the consciences of the persons to whom the faith was presented, as well as all forms of force used in the repression and correction of errors.
Analogous attention should be paid to all the failures, for which the sons and daughters of the Church may have been responsible, to denounce injustice and violence in the great variety of historical situations: “Then there is the lack of discernment by many Christians in situations where basic human rights were violated. The request for forgiveness applies to whatever should have been done or was passed over in silence because of weakness or bad judgement, to what was done or said hesitantly or inappropriately.”(79)
As always, establishing the historical truth by means of historical-critical research is decisive. Once the facts have been established, it will be necessary to evaluate their spiritual and moral value, as well as their objective significance. Only thus will it be possible to avoid every form of mythical memory and reach a fair critical memory capable - in the light of faith - of producing fruits of conversion and renewal. “From these painful moments of the past a lesson can be drawn for the future, leading all Christians to adhere fully to the sublime principle stated by the Council: ‘The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it wins over the mind with both gentleness and power.’”(80)
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Darryl1958
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nationalreview.com/article/398115/obama-show-jonah-goldberg/page/0/1
Do I really have to repent of scratching myself inappropriately and getting a little too drunk at a Christmas party ten years ago before I can express my contempt for people who crucify other Christians and rape ten year old girls on the advise of their Prophet?
Liberals must really, really have a lot to feel guilty about if that is their response to Islamism is mea culpa in that regard.
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Tomdstone
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When did Mohammed advise anyone to commit these evil deeds? Or are you just making this up?
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sps49
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Please. The President has little credibility when speaking to us from the bully pulpit about shame and humility. His clumsy attempt to wave his moral equivalence magic wand looked forced and absurd at the same time.
What gives you the impression that that IS will consider us a non-threat by anything other than our complete surrender? Jordan seems to be willing to engage with a type of dialog that IS understands. I am not sure what Jordan’s success will be is the long run, but I get the impression that they are concerned with their security and are taking this seriously.
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GaryTaylor
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True, but the extreme right can slide the Scarlet O’Hara fainting couch back into the corner of the outrage room too, tad too dramatic imho.
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Darryl1958
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Please define the difference between the extreme right and American conservatism, if any.
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Darryl1958
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No.
I am not making it up.
Do the research.
Why is it, do you think, the the Ayatollahs lower the age of marriage for girls to nine, when they seized power?
What are the rules of booty in a Islamic jihadi war?
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Darryl1958
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Liberals have been raging against the Islamophobia of the extreme right for so many years now, that the antics of a Boko Haram or an IS come as a complete surprise to them, as if these are not the things that have been discussed time and again as the inevitable result when Islamists begin to take their religion literally.
And Islamists HAVE been taking their sharia literally in the modern era since 1979 when the Ayotollahs came to power in 1979 in Shia Iran, and the Salafi came to power as the religious police of Saudi Arabia.
Y’all don’t have to believe the extreme right. Y’all don’t have to believe your lying eyes.
But, please, at least don’t reuse the pathetic lines that the POTUS uses. He was probably the only man in a room of religiously educated people that doesn’t know the history of Christianity and Islam.
And Islamists HAVE been taking their sharia literally in the modern era since 1979 when the Ayotollahs came to power in 1979 in Shia Iran, and the Salafi came to power as the religious police of Saudi Arabia.
Y’all don’t have to believe the extreme right. Y’all don’t have to believe your lying eyes.
But, please, at least don’t reuse the pathetic lines that the POTUS uses. He was probably the only man in a room of religiously educated people that doesn’t know the history of Christianity and Islam.
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Inisfallen
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Well, that, yes, and also exterminating heretics in Europe (remember the Albigensians, a.k.a the Cathars?).
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Darryl1958
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The West has done well to reject the theocratic model.
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GaryTaylor
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I did, tactics and temperament.
The republicans are in schism.
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estesbob
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Which is why they control both houses of Congress and the majority of governorships and state legislatures.I did, tactics and temperament.
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