Obnoxious, germaphobic 15 year old nephew visiting..?

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That’s why I asked if he has Aspergers. At 15 and undiagnosed, with doting parents… he might not actually realize he’s being rude. And the symptoms tend to be more pronounced in males than in females.
I would guess that Aspergers is the diagnosis of exclusion–that is, other possibilities have to be ruled out first. Even though a person afflicted with Aspergers can be mistaken for a garden-variety twit, not every garden-variety twit has Aspergers.
 
I would let them know that Nephew seems very uncomfortable/unhappy, and for the comfort of both families, you would prefer they stay at XYZ hotel from now on, beginning tonight.
 
I have a four year-old (and a 8 week old)- both girls and I am TERRIFIED of the teen years!!

:eek:
Teens who have had strong discipline in childhood are a joy to their families and friends.

It can be done - it means you have to stick to your guns throughout the childhood years, but it will be well worth it when they are your partners and helpers in future years, instead of lazy lumps that are eating you out of house and home, and who can’t be taken out of the house without making an ugly scene.
 
I would guess that Aspergers is the diagnosis of exclusion–that is, other possibilities have to be ruled out first. Even though a person afflicted with Aspergers can be mistaken for a garden-variety twit, not every garden-variety twit has Aspergers.
True. Geniuses with special needs often present with the symptoms of idiocy, but it is a reality that actual idiots also present with the symptoms of idiocy - I think it’s important to prepare oneself for the possibility that there’s nothing actually the matter with the kid - he’s just an idiot.

Regardless of the cause of his behaviour, though, no one is required to put up with it. If he has a mental illness, then he needs to get treatment for it, and if he doesn’t, then he needs a swift kick (or two) and either way, he needs to shape up and start behaving like a civilized human being, not just for the sake of those around him, but for his own sake as well, since no one will ever want to marry him or hire him, or offer him opportunities of any kind, in his current condition.
 
I would guess that Aspergers is the diagnosis of exclusion–that is, other possibilities have to be ruled out first. Even though a person afflicted with Aspergers can be mistaken for a garden-variety twit, not every garden-variety twit has Aspergers.
You are so right, and I tell my boys all the time that just because they are on the spectrum they are not excused from the consequences of bad behavior. Parents do a huge disservice to their children buy not holding them accountable. My boys have problems with socialization, if I don’t teach them how to refrain from rudeness it is just going to make things more difficult. I will not allow them to use the fact that they are autistic to have a free pass, but many other parents I’ve met with autistic kids do. I will not compromise on behavior and manners. It is never acceptable to do so.

I’m also hesitant to mention autism to parents when their kids have many of these behaviors. I have noticed all too often that parents will seek a diagnosis of either autism, ADD/ADHD, OCD, bipolar, or something else when children have behavior problems or bad manners. Instead of finding the form of discipline that works for their kids, they run to the doctors, councilors, schools to find a diagnosis that excuses the undesirable behaviors instead. It is easier to find the way to accommodate than to remedy the problems when you only have two or three kids to accommodate.
 
This is not going to be popular, but I will say it anyway.

There is an old saying that a family is only as strong (healthy) as its weakest (sickest) individual.

In other words, all the family energy is around this 15-year-old. He is the center of attention, whether it is due to a possible illness or lack of parental training, or both.

To use other language, the entire household is being held “hostage” to his behavior.

Regardless of the cause, as others have said, no one is required to put up with this behavior, especially of a guest.
 
Sounds like Grandpa is the only one speaking the truth about this kid!

They are staying in your house??? No way I would put up with his behavior and comments and tell his parents the same. If they don’t like it they can get a hotel, or better yet, leave the brat at home in a germ free bag… or even better don’t come, period.

I would also tell both parents and child that there is something more toxic than germs and that is HIS attitude ---- then throw a dirty diaper at him! :eek:
Yeah, grandpa isn’t a fan of him…“You can care about someone from a far. The only visit I’ve ever enjoyed with that heathen is when I first saw him when he was a baby. I much prefer him before he could talk. I liked the crying better than the bulls*** he blurts out now.” And my grandpa…is actually very easy going.

Oh, now he refused to hold the baby, I don’t really care. I never liked holding babies before my own, his reasoning “Hasn’t had a bath since last diaper change.”
 
It sounds like this kid might have some issues that go beyond parents who refuse to discipline. Has he been evaluated for OCD or any form of autism? How does he treat or get along with his peers?
He hasn’t been evaluated for anything. I asked him about his friends at school, he said that his best friends are the 3 girls that he had to sit by in art class this past year, which I found odd considering how much he says he hates girls. He said they’re nice, I found them on his Facebook, just to be nosy, they seem just like normal kids. One had a picture of herself fishing with her dad, he would never fish. I think they’re the only one’s that put up with him.
 
The solution to that would have been to take the sandwich back. And I would have. “You don’t want people touching your food? Fine, then I will eat my sandwich and you can make your own.”
Yeah, she’s too nice. I wanted to slap him just for acting that way.
 
True. Geniuses with special needs often present with the symptoms of idiocy, but it is a reality that actual idiots also present with the symptoms of idiocy - I think it’s important to prepare oneself for the possibility that there’s nothing actually the matter with the kid - he’s just an idiot.

Regardless of the cause of his behaviour, though, no one is required to put up with it. If he has a mental illness, then he needs to get treatment for it, and if he doesn’t, then he needs a swift kick (or two) and either way, he needs to shape up and start behaving like a civilized human being, not just for the sake of those around him, but for his own sake as well, since no one will ever want to marry him or hire him, or offer him opportunities of any kind, in his current condition.
I completely agree with your post, I honestly think he’s kind of just a brat, but then he is pretty crazy. He may have something wrong. I haven’t thought of this, but maybe he does it just to get attention. I don’t even know.
 
I completely agree with your post, I honestly think he’s kind of just a brat, but then he is pretty crazy. He may have something wrong. I haven’t thought of this, but maybe he does it just to get attention. I don’t even know.
Our kids are hearing-impaired and were speech-delayed. It was pointed out to us that deaf people can be rude or polite, hardworking or lazy, and everything else anyone else can be, because being deaf doesn’t change basic human nature. We were cautioned that it is very important not to take our children’s real challenges as any excuse not to behave as decent people behave. So while some people have conditions that require real accommodation–you don’t expect someone who is autistic to endure the kind of noisy distracting conditions that would be merely annoying to anyone else, because it is far worse than annoying when you are autistic–that does not mean they have carte blanche to act any way they like. The accommodations need to go both ways, in good faith.

A person with an obsessive-compulsive relationship to cleanliness needs to politely ask that he take care of his own food, if he cannot get beyond his anxiety about other people’s food hygiene. If someone doesn’t want to touch someone else, they ought to word the rejection kindly: I’m sorry, nothing against the baby and thank you for trusting me to hold him, but I’m not comfortable doing that. Neither is being a teen a reason to expect to be rude, even if it is good for others to give teens a bit more room for recovery from excessive bluntness or other social faux pas.
 
I completely agree with your post, I honestly think he’s kind of just a brat, but then he is pretty crazy. He may have something wrong. I haven’t thought of this, but maybe he does it just to get attention. I don’t even know.
You don’t have to know. All you need to do is say, “Jon, if you have concerns about my food hygiene, you need to let me know, so we can arrange for you to take care of your own food. I’m willing to do whatever I need to do to help you to be comfortable here, but you need to do your part and take my feelings into account, too.” This is how you, if you had some kind of OCD over your food, would feel relieved to be treated, would it not? So put the best face you can on his behavior, but still feel that you can let him know when you feel his way of putting something was rude or that he’s neglecting his manners. Treat his as a learner who needs some guidance. This is what you have to do with people who show a very poor grasp of social expectations. If they make it clear that they have no interest in your social expectations, apologize that your differences are too great, and then show them the door.
 
A suggestion for everyone here who doesn’t suffer from OCD:

For just one day, pay careful attention to the hands of everyone you see. You’ll be amazed at how often people put their fingers in their mouths. :tsktsk:

The OCD sufferer doesn’t look at people’s hands. We just see it. We can’t not see it. So everyday we see people doing filthy things and we’re not supposed to say anything because it would be rude. But it’s frustrating because to us, the people who spread disease are the rude ones.
 
All you need to do is say, “Jon, if you have concerns about my food hygiene, you need to let me know, so we can arrange for you to take care of your own food. I’m willing to do whatever I need to do to help you to be comfortable here, but you need to do your part and take my feelings into account, too.” This is how you, if you had some kind of OCD over your food, would feel relieved to be treated, would it not?
This is a good response. It shows respect for the young man’s concerns instead of belittling them like so many people do.
 
A suggestion for everyone here who doesn’t suffer from OCD:

For just one day, pay careful attention to the hands of everyone you see. You’ll be amazed at how often people put their fingers in their mouths. :tsktsk:

The OCD sufferer doesn’t look at people’s hands. We just see it. We can’t not see it. So everyday we see people doing filthy things and we’re not supposed to say anything because it would be rude. But it’s frustrating because to us, the people who spread disease are the rude ones.
I understand some people suffer from OCD, but I do think he could be nicer, and not only that, he is truly a full on brat. 🤷
 
A suggestion for everyone here who doesn’t suffer from OCD:

For just one day, pay careful attention to the hands of everyone you see. You’ll be amazed at how often people put their fingers in their mouths. :tsktsk:

The OCD sufferer doesn’t look at people’s hands. We just see it. We can’t not see it. So everyday we see people doing filthy things and we’re not supposed to say anything because it would be rude. But it’s frustrating because to us, the people who spread disease are the rude ones.
In the spirit of full disclosure I have been diagnosed with OCD and I do not condone or find this young’s man behavior and comments excusable or acceptable.

Diagnosis does not equal getting a pass.

Plus there has been no diagnosis and until there is one there is no reason for someone to tolerate this type of treatment from a houseguest
 
In the spirit of full disclosure I have been diagnosed with OCD and I do not condone or find this young’s man behavior and comments excusable or acceptable.

Diagnosis does not equal getting a pass.

Plus there has been no diagnosis and until there is one there is no reason for someone to tolerate this type of treatment from a houseguest
Exactly, I hate when people use it as pass. OCD isn’t a pass to lock an 87 year old out of her house.
 
It sounds like some counseling might be appropriate.
Sounds to me as if he could have used a can of whoop-***** unloaded on him when he was 9, and locked his own grandmother out of the house.
 
Where are his parents when he is being rude to you? Does he say these things in front of them, or when they are out of earshot? What is his parents’ reaction?

Does any of this happen in front of your husband? How does he react?

If it were me…I would straight out say to the kid each time “How rude!” Then walk away. Every time, no matter if the parents are there or not. It’s their job to do it…but if they don’t, you are certainly entitled in your own home.

If your sister takes offense…well, it sounds like a good long heart-to-heart with her is long overdue. Explain how her son’s behavior makes you feel, and you can’t have it happening anymore…it sets a bad example to your children. She’ll either stay mad or get over it…my guess is get over it, as I’ll bet she has few if any friends with a kid like that.
 
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