Occult symbols in Mormon temple!!!!

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All right, try this. When the missionaries come on Sunday, ask them to show you a scripture that says God lives on another planet. When they can’t, ask them if something that isn’t scriptural can be considered doctrinal?

The answer is, “No.” If it isn’t part of the canon, it isn’t doctrine. If they do show you Abraham 3, ask them if it teaches God lives on a planet named Kolob or if Kolob is a star near God’s throne. You’ll find out that the point I’m making is right and the chart posted above of alleged Mormon belief is basically worthless (except for misinformation purposes.)

Alma
I have to disagree here. Mormons have a lot of doctrine and practices that are NOT in there scriptures. Mormon doctrine is all about continuing revelation and priesthood authority. The Temple is an excellent example. you will find the sacrament prayers in LDS scripture but not the temple ceremony. Mormons teach that the current prophet is the most relevant guide to God’s will and scripture is the way it was at the time it was written. They believe God continues to reveal NEW things that sometimes supersede scripture. polygamy, united order, racial restrictions on priesthood. Sometimes the changes Are made to the scriptures (although sometimes it takes a long time) and sometimes they never put the changes in scripture.

Mormons can twist scripture to justify just about anything. Those of us who used to be mormon know what was taught and you can see for yourself from mormon sources at the LDS website by looking at their teaching manuals (although the new stuff is WAY watered down)

Don’t be distracted by the Kolob thing. it’s a red herring. Mormon doctrine is that God was once a man on a different planet who “achieved” salvation and exaltation through obedience to his God. They teach that we have the potential to do the same thing and create our own planets where our “spirit children” will go down to work out their salvation in fear and trembling.

They believe this has always happened and always will. Men who become Gods get their “sealed” spouse (who is their literal sister as a child of Elohim) and are also awarded other worthy women who aren’t sealed to a worthy man. They become HIS queens and priestesses while the man is a king and priest to Elohim. The women are not given a role in the creation nor the teaching of said spirit children. They just please the man and have babies.

The occult symbols in mormon temples are all derived from freemasonry. Joseph Smith was always a fan of the “magical” and really liked the masonic rituals so he “adapted” then into the LDS temple rituals. They have been watered down over the years but are still “strange” and serve to keep good mormons giving their money to the LDS church and spending their time focused on helping the dead.

It is wrong and people need to know the truth.:mad:
 
The women are not given a role in the creation nor the teaching of said spirit children. They just please the man and have babies.
Where do you get this stuff? I’ve been a Mormon all my life and if anyone tried to teach what you claim above, they’d immediatley corrected for promoting bizarre doctrine.

Alma
 
This is an actual diagram drawn by a Mormon Missionary who visited me in Flushing, MI.
I don’t any problem with the diagram you posted, Chris. But I have lots of problems with the other one with all the other bizarro stuff.

Alma
 
zerinus;1845059:
Call in the Ghost Busters! 😃

zerinus
Hi, you can have fun 😛 Just wondering though. Do you deny that there are evil spirits in the world who hate humans and wish for our damnation?
You are focusing on the wrong thing. The thing that you need to focus on is that the LDS Church is true. It is led by the Lord, by revelation, by real prophets and Apostles today, as it was in the early days. The Book of Mormon is true. It is a revelation from the Lord; and a book of scripture like the Bible. The early Christian church did apostatize, and God has now restored His true Church on earth as prophesied in the Bible. Joseph Smith was a great prophet, and an instrument in the hand of the Lord through whom that restoration took place. These are the things that you need to focus on—not on spooky ghosts!

zerinus
 
The book of mormon doesn’t even make sense, far as I can tell.

How come Mormon churches don’t have windows?

Tell us about the “garment.”

Do the Elders or any of them in SLC talk to God? or He to them? to any of them?
 
You are focusing on the wrong thing. The thing that you need to focus on is that the LDS Church is true. It is led by the Lord, by revelation, by real prophets and Apostles today, as it was in the early days. The Book of Mormon is true. It is a revelation from the Lord; and a book of scripture like the Bible. The early Christian church did apostatize, and God has now restored His true Church on earth as prophesied in the Bible. Joseph Smith was a great prophet, and an instrument in the hand of the Lord through whom that restoration took place. These are the things that you need to focus on—not on spooky ghosts!

zerinus
Wow! I feel like I just sat through fast and testimony meeting.
😉

Really though, I bear you my testimony that the LDS church is NOT true. There was no great apostacy, Jesus Christ did NOT fail in establishing His church. It is still on the Earth today, led by Pope Benedict XVI. The Book of Mormon is NOT true, Joseph Smith was NOT a prophet, and Gordon Hinckley is not a prophet either.

I pray that Mormons will one day realize the truth of the Catholic faith.

😃
 
Actually Zerinus, I dont believe in ghosts.I dont think evil spirits are the same thing as ghosts. ok enough said about that. Where in the Bible does it talk about a Universal apostacy where no man on earth with have the real faith?Jesus was the last of the prophets,the fullfilment of the OT. God saving his creation for the sin of Adam and Eve. He took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. He promised to never leave us. Why would God,all-knowing, go through humiliation and death on a cross, then to just have it not mean anything. Having to “restore” Christs church all over again on the prophet Joseph Smith. Faith *and *reason my friend.
 
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The thing that you need to focus on is that the LDS Church is true.
Um…NO, I don’t think I will be focusing on a fairy tale.
Thanks just the same…
The Book of Mormon is true
Again, uh, NO.
The early Christian church did apostatize
No again. It did not and that FACT has been proven time and time again. And mormons have never, ever proven otherwise.
These are the things that you need to focus on
Thanks again. I’ll pass.
And I will FOCUS on the truth passed on to us directly through Jesus Christ and through His ONE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH.

You are, of course, welcome to buy all this impossible, historically incorrect nonsense but, please, don’t assume that you saying this stuff is so…makes it so.
 
Where do you get this stuff? I’ve been a Mormon all my life and if anyone tried to teach what you claim above, they’d immediatley corrected for promoting bizarre doctrine.

Alma
please… it was openly taught for years. read the writings of your prophets like “the teachings of the prophet joseph smith”, “doctrines of salvation”, “answers to gospel questions”, “mormon doctrine”, “the Journal of discourses”, “modern day prophets speak” and many other works written by LDs “prophets, seers and revelators”. why don’t you go to www.lds.org and search the curriculum library for “eternal progression”. Then again you could just read D&C 132, or go to the temple and see what the endowment teaches.Perhaps you are too young to remember the hardcore version with penalties but even the 1990 version backs this up.
 
The book of Revelation foretells two prophets who will yet prophesy in Jerusalem.
The two witnesses in Revelation 11, wearing sackcloth symbolizing lamentation and repentance, cannot readily be identified. Do they represent Moses and Elijah, or the Law and the Prophets, or Peter and Paul? Most probably they refer to the universal church, especially the Christian martyrs, fulfilling the office of witness. There are two of them because of Deuteronomy 19:15 (“One witness alone shall not take the stand against a man in regard to any crime or any offense of which he may be guilty; a judicial fact shall be established only on the testimony of two or three witnesses.”) and because of John 8:17 (“Even in your law it is written that the testimony of two men can be verified.”) Also, Jesus (in Mark 6:7) “summoned the Twelve and began to send them out two by two and gave them authority over unclean spirits.”
Acts tells us that disciples were called “Christians” first at Antioch.
Because the Gentile members of the community enable it to stand out clearly from Judaism.
I would say someone who accepts Jesus Christ as the Son of God and wants to learn of Him is a disciple–and the Nicene Creed has little if anything to do with who is a Christian.
Just because person A wants to learn of person B doesn’t automatically make person A a disciple of person B. Even Wikipedia recognizes that Christians believe that Jesus offers the only path to salvation, and that it is only possible because of him; and that Christians identify themselves as monotheistic, believing that there is one God; and that the doctrine of the universal, visible church was first made explicit in the Apostles’ (and later the Nicene) Creed. So, the Nicene Creed has a lot to do with who is a Christian!
 
I recently learned that Mormons display occult symbols in their temples.:eek: I’ve always welcomed those who have knocked on my door. I love informing them of what catholics believe. This makes me very nervous though. I don’t think they realize the evil they are messing with, but satan does. Could I be letting in evil spirits that are attached to the missionaries because of their attendence at these temples? Should I bless my home with holy water before a visit? I hate to tell them to not come back. If anyone is knowlegdable about these things please let me know.
That would depend on the symbol, would it not? And what it means to them?

SWASTIKA! Did you just jump at reading that? An evil symbol? Of course, the Nazis never called their symbol the swastika, never. It was the hakencruz. Hooked Cross. A symbol once used throughout Christian Europe. And still is used througout Asia and China, a Hindu and Buddhist symbol.

The Hindus and Buddhists have used the Swastika for over 6,000 years. Does the brief use of the nazis now make it an evil symbol everywhere for the rest of time?
 
Actually Zerinus, I dont believe in ghosts.I dont think evil spirits are the same thing as ghosts. ok enough said about that. Where in the Bible does it talk about a Universal apostacy where no man on earth with have the real faith?Jesus was the last of the prophets,the fullfilment of the OT. God saving his creation for the sin of Adam and Eve. He took on flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. He promised to never leave us. Why would God,all-knowing, go through humiliation and death on a cross, then to just have it not mean anything. Having to “restore” Christs church all over again on the prophet Joseph Smith. Faith *and *reason my friend.
Go and read the Book of Mormon and pray about it, and you will gain a testimony that it is true.

zerinus
 
Go and read the Book of Mormon and pray about it, and you will gain a testimony that it is true.

zerinus
How do you or anyone know that the Book of Mormon is true? I think we should separate this thread to talk about this issue.
 
please… it was openly taught for years. read the writings of your prophets like “the teachings of the prophet joseph smith”, “doctrines of salvation”, “answers to gospel questions”, “mormon doctrine”, “the Journal of discourses”, “modern day prophets speak” and many other works written by LDs “prophets, seers and revelators”. why don’t you go to www.lds.org and search the curriculum library for “eternal progression”. Then again you could just read D&C 132, or go to the temple and see what the endowment teaches.Perhaps you are too young to remember the hardcore version with penalties but even the 1990 version backs this up.
Typical response when asked for substance. I posted your comment “The women are not given a role in the creation nor the teaching of said spirit children. They just please the man and have babies” and asked where you got this stuff. The best you could do was cite 37 volumes of source material and other stuff you expect me to look up? I call your bluff because I’ve read all the books you cite above except for “modern day prophets speak.” (sic) I’m also very familiar with D&C 132 and the endowment. You couldn’t give me a citation from any one of those works supporting your claim above. What’s the matter, don’t you think the truth is a strong enough weapon to counter Mormonism and so you have invent stuff as well?

Alma
 
Go and read the Book of Mormon and pray about it, and you will gain a testimony that it is true.

zerinus
So what you are telling me is youHAVE NO CLUE.Why would I seek the truth from a made up story book? Author Joseph Smith. Praise be Jesus Christ not Joseph Smith!
 
So what you are telling me is youHAVE NO CLUE.Why would I seek the truth from a made up story book? Author Joseph Smith. Praise be Jesus Christ not Joseph Smith!
Matthew 12:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

zerinus
 
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