Occult symbols in Mormon temple!!!!

[tundramom]

I think that is unfair. The Mormons I have known do, indeed, believe in Christ. Isn’t that what a Christian is? Many religions believe in Christ even if it is not in the same sense that we Catholics do.

This is not unfair at all. The Jesus that they speak of isn’t who He really is, therefore they are in error. I used to be one.

in Christ
Steph

 

[Sixtus]

I think that is unfair. The Mormons I have known do, indeed, believe in Christ. Isn’t that what a Christian is? Many religions believe in Christ even if it is not in the same sense that we Catholics do.

The lsat time Mormons knocked on my door was one sunday morning while I was at Mass. My wife is sympathetic to catholicism but is not catholic.

She explained that ‘ours is a Catholic household’ and the Mormans told her ‘it was a waste of their time trying to convert her as she was not up for it, as you cannot convert the dead and she was already dead or at least would be very soon’.

That greatly distressed her. She became mentally ill. It took her a lot of years to get over the mistaken belief she would die soon. She was only 25 years old at the time.

I am not a violent man but if I ever met those same Mormons OR SHOULD I SAY MORONS: I will put themn on their backs. In fact the moderators will object if I explain in graphic detail what I think of Mormonism and what I would like to do to the toe-rags who hurt my wife.

Christians? DONT ANYONE DARE TELL ME THEY ARE CHRISTIANS!!!

 

[blessings123]

That would depend on the symbol, would it not? And what it means to them?

SWASTIKA! Did you just jump at reading that? An evil symbol? Of course, the Nazis never called their symbol the swastika, never. It was the hakencruz. Hooked Cross. A symbol once used throughout Christian Europe. And still is used througout Asia and China, a Hindu and Buddhist symbol.

The Hindus and Buddhists have used the Swastika for over 6,000 years. Does the brief use of the nazis now make it an evil symbol everywhere for the rest of time?

ok i get it, a good symbol gone bad thanks to the Nazis. Then probably the same thing with the Pentagram. Used for good and evil meanings. But why does the mormon church invert it? Besides the mormon church also does not have any crosses. A weird atmosphere. Inverted pentagram, freemason symbols, but no crosses. I think I would feel a longing for Jesus like you wouldnt believe. How is this satisfied for the mormon?

 

[Allweather]

You are focusing on the wrong thing. The thing that you need to focus on is that the LDS Church is true. It is led by the Lord, by revelation, by real prophets and Apostles today, as it was in the early days. The Book of Mormon is true. It is a revelation from the Lord; and a book of scripture like the Bible. The early Christian church did apostatize, and God has now restored His true Church on earth as prophesied in the Bible. Joseph Smith was a great prophet, and an instrument in the hand of the Lord through whom that restoration took place. These are the things that you need to focus on—not on spooky ghosts!

zerinus

While I don’t think too much should be made of the so-called occult symbols that grace Mormon temples, they are there, and deserve some splainin’ by our Mormon friends. Here is their opportunity. Why don’t you take it away, Zerinus? Or are you going to avoid the subject and just try to turn this into a Mormon evangelizing session?

 

[Zooey]

Yes I totally agree. Love is so important. That’s why I never shut my door on a missionary. Im also extremely aware of the presence of evil spirits. Which actually are all around. Maybe it was a temptation. God wishes all to be saved. I was nervous because I know what its like to be oppressed by evil spirits and i didnt want the possiblity of having that happen. I think blessing my home will help me and saying prayers especially before a visit. Thanks for your 2 cents.

God is Love.

I think you are being very wise!!

nauvoochristian.org/pagansymbols.htm

Regardless of the origin of the symbols (I know there is a debate that these symbols are not “satanic”) the fact remains that a religion that wants to be seen as mainstream Christian, and believes in “avoiding the appearance of evil” has inverted pentagrams on their buildings and on the newly remodled Nauvoo temple. A lot of people associate inverted pentagrams with satanic belief. And the other symbols are Masonic, from the early Mormon’s association with Masonry.
irr.org/mit/masonry.html

And as former Mormons, we believe that although some individual Mormons may be Christian, the belief system is not Christian. Pray for the missionaries.

Exactly!!
I also let the Mormon missionaries come in my home…I do not allow them to pray, however. It’s my house, & I do the praying. I usually say something about “appreciating their sincerity & willingness to come here today”.
The Mormon religion is NOT Christian. I am sure that there are, as has been said above, those in it who are. But this is a non-Christian faith…
I highly recommend not letting them pray, either. I am also more than a little nervous about what kind of spirits they may have with them. However, I always remember that " Greater is He [the Holy Spirit] that is in you, than he who is in the world."…And yes, that includes Mormons.
They are, I believe, good moral people who try to live a family centered life. These are fine qualities. But they are:nope: not Christians. (Yes, I also go by the Creeds! That’s why we have them:yup: !!)

 

[Allweather]

Matthew 12:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Zerinus, since you’re going to avoid the subject of the OP entirely, and quote Scripture, why don’t you also quote the words of Jesus regarding adultery, and tell us how this might apply to the polygamy that was practiced by Joseph Smith in secret for about a decade, during which time he lied about doing it. You could also elaborate on the polygamy practiced by Brigham Young, as well as many other Mormon partriarchs.

Those here who think Mormonism is Christian, might want to do a little research on Mormon teachings regarding marriage and polygamy. Especially the women. Might find it illuminating, and possibly help to change your minds about Mormons being Christians.

 

[majick275]

Typical response when asked for substance. I posted your comment “The women are not given a role in the creation nor the teaching of said spirit children. They just please the man and have babies” and asked where you got this stuff. The best you could do was cite 37 volumes of source material and other stuff you expect me to look up? I call your bluff because I’ve read all the books you cite above except for “modern day prophets speak.” (sic) I’m also very familiar with D&C 132 and the endowment. You couldn’t give me a citation from any one of those works supporting your claim above. What’s the matter, don’t you think the truth is a strong enough weapon to counter Mormonism and so you have invent stuff as well?

Alma

the truth is plenty strong and I find it interesting that you discount “volumes” of material that support my claim. Which versions of the endowment are you familiar with? I can show you in each and everyone of them that women have no place in the creation or teaching of men. eve is the mother of all living. Women in the endowment do NOT make their covenants to Elohim but rather to their husbands. shall we quote the endowment? and if so which version? and let’s look at that D&C 132:

*19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
wow men get to be Gods and have endless children. who has those babies?

 

[majick275]

• 37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
  38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.
  39 David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord. *

having concubines is righteous. 40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an appointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.

so Joseph was supposed to restore concubinage. Now I don’t know about you but that sure sounds like please the man and have babies. but what about Joseph’s wife:

*52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law. *

hmmmm… if she doesn’t give her husband concubines she will be destroyed. does that sound like the Christian marriage that Jesus taught?

*61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified. *
ten concubines…wow. but you have to have the wifes permission…or do you?

*64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take Hagar to wife. *

aaah wives who don’t give their husbands concubines are destroyed and the man gets to go and have the ones he wants anyway. nice.

 

[majick275]

now do we have more detail on the role of mormon wives?

D&C 25: 5, 13-15

• 5 And the office of thy calling shall be for a comfort unto my servant, Joseph Smith, Jun., thy husband, in his afflictions, with consoling words, in the spirit of meekness.
  • • •
  13 Wherefore, lift up thy heart and rejoice, and cleave unto the covenants which thou hast made.
  14 Continue in the spirit of meekness, and beware of pride. Let thy soul delight in thy husband, and the glory which shall come upon him. *

here is what the mormon young women are taught:

library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Curriculum/young%20women.htm/yw1.htm/fulfilling%20womens%20divine%20roles.htm/8%20attitudes%20about%20our%20divine%20roles.htm

and here is what is in store for men:

The Prophet Spencer W. Kimball said in his book, Miracle of Forgiveness, pg. ix; “The scriptures point clearly to the high purpose of man’s existence… through the modern Prophet Joseph Smith…having learned the drama and purpose of it all…Through him God has abundantly confirmed that man is the supreme creation…that man is the offspring of God; that for man, and man alone, was the earth created… and that, having within him the seeds of godhood and thus being a god in embryo, man has unlimited potential for progress and attainment.”

women?

*“Motherhood lies at the foundation of happiness in the home…God has laid upon men and women very sacred obligations with respect to motherhood… In I Timothy 2:13-15, we are told that “Adam was first formed, then Eve…Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.” Can she be saved without child-bearing? She indeed takes an awful risk if she wilfully disregards what is a pronounced requirement of God…”

Gospel Doctrine: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Joseph F. Smith, pg. 288.
so what about in heaven?

B.H. Roberts in New Witnesses For God, pg. 461-2 said; “What a revelation is here! As I have remarked elsewhere, instead of the God-given power of pro-creation being one of the chief things that is to pass away, it is one of the chief means of man’s exaltation and glory in that great eternity, which like an endless vista stretches out before him! Instead of the commandment, “Be fruitful, and multiply and replenish the earth,” being an unrighteous law, it is one by means of which the race of the Gods is perpetuated…”

and let’s take a look at that endowment:

lds-mormon.com/compare2.shtml

remember that husbands (used to at least) pull their wives through the veil (symbolic of elohim) because they are their wives God in the celestial kingdom.

perhaps you need more:

*“Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire…Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers… Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord’s servants have always practised it. ‘And is that religion popular in heaven?’ It is the only popular religion there.”

• Prophet Brigham Young, The Deseret News, August 6, 1862*

 

[majick275]

more?
*"Sisters, do you wish to make yourselves happy? Then what is your duty? It is for you to bear children, in the name of the Lord, that are full of faith and the power of God,—to receive, conceive, bear, and bring forth in the name of Israel’s God that you may have the honour of being the mothers of great and good men—of kings, princes, and potentates that shall yet live on the earth and govern and control the nations. Do you look forward to that? or are you` tormenting yourselves by thinking that your husbands do not love you? I would not care whether they loved a particle or net; but I would cry out, like one of old, in the joy of my heart, “I have got a man from the Lord!” “Hallelujah! I am a mother—I have borne, an image of God!”

• The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p.37

“Says a woman of faith and knowledge, ‘I will make the best of it; it is a law that man shall rule over me; his word is my law, and I must obey him; he must rule over me; this is upon me and I will submit to it,’ and by so doing she has promises that others do not have.”

• The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discources, Volume 16, Page 167.

“You ought to love a woman only so far as she adorns the doctrine you profess; so far as she adorns that doctrine, just so far let your love extend to her. When will she be worthy of the full extent of your affection? When she has lived long enough to secure to herself a glorious resurrection and an eternal exaltation as your companion, and never until then.”

“Elders, never love your wives one hair’s breadth further than they adorn the Gospel, never love them so but that you can leave them at a moment’s warning without shedding a tear. Should you love a child any more than this? No. Here are Apostles and Prophets who are destined to be exalted with the Gods, to become rulers in the kingdoms of our Father, to become equal with the Father and the Son, and will you let your affections be unduly placed on anything this side that kingdom and glory? If you do, you disgrace your calling and Priesthood. The very moment that persons in this Church suffer their affections to be immoderately placed upon an object this side the celestial kingdom, they disgrace their profession and calling. When you love your Wives and children, are fond of your horses, your carriages, your fine houses, your goods and chattels, or anything of an earthly nature, before your affections become too strong, wait until you and your family are sealed up unto eternal lives, and you know they are yours from that time henceforth and for ever.”

• The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.360*

 

[tundramom]

Well, I always invite the Mishies in my home. I know they are kids who are seriously delusional and have been programmed to believe what they are doing is right.

I feed them, I give them a cool glass of water, I talk to them. I pray for them. I do NOT let them pray… but I am welcoming to them.

My name is still on their rolls and I consider this a mission of my own. though I have tried to have my name removed, it has not been done. So I figure that if God wants me to talk to these boys I will. I invite them to dine with us. I offer them the anecdotes to Mormonism.

Above all, I pray for them.

in Christ
Steph

 

[majick275]

come on now, I taught seminary, sunday school, Gospel Doctrine, priesthood… I was an elders quorum president and a counselor in the bishopric. I was a veil worker in the temple. I know what was taught. I also know the Orwellian changes to the teachings to “soften” the controversial doctrines and avoid uncomfortable principles. this never denounces previous teachings (except adam-god) lest the role of prophet be weakened (or totally negated) IT just let’s things go “under the radar”. that way it’s “milk before meat” and “scary teachings” can be waved off as speculation until the unsuspecting are hooked, THEN they can get the hard stuff. Of course many mormons choose to bury their head in the sand and never bother to study the teachings of their prophets lest it undermine their faith. Look at the fate of BYU historians who did nothing more than tell the truth. Darth Packer will fire folks who don’t tell faith promoting stories. HE is the one who fears truth. many mormons today are quite content to get “comfortable” revelations from their prophet like how many earrings to wear. No one here will be fooled by the pictures of Emma Smith on the relief society room wall looking like a good faithful mormon. (she left after joseph’s death because she rejected the dcotrines and practices of brigham young as false) We KNOW the truth and it HAS set us free. SO stop the secret handshakes and the quest for godhood and come to the REAL church that Jesus Christ established (the one he never abandoned) that has remained all along (just like he promised) and WORSHIP God, pray TO Jesus, worship the Holy Spirit and pray to him. Learn who (and what) God really is. THEN you can be saved by HIM.

 

[tundramom]

SO stop the secret handshakes and the quest for godhood and come to the REAL church that Jesus Christ established (the one he never abandoned) that has remained all along (just like he promised) and WORSHIP God, pray TO Jesus, worship the Holy Spirit and pray to him. Learn who (and what) God really is. THEN you can be saved by HIM.

AMEN!!!

 

[jay29]

JAY29 I saw the flack you got from your chart That is the price one pays for exposing error. In my book ya done good:thumbsup: . Thanks for posting it.

Thanks for your support. Sometimes the truth stings people. If people are to be called christians they must believe in the TRIUNE GOD – The Holy Trinity. Anything short of that, you ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN!

 

[tundramom]

Thanks for your support. Sometimes the truth stings people. If people are to be called christians they must believe in the TRIUNE GOD – The Holy Trinity. Anything short of that, you ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN!

Again, AMEN!!!

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I don’t any problem with the diagram you posted, Chris. But I have lots of problems with the other one with all the other bizarro stuff.

Alma

I would hope not. An actual real live Mormon drew it!

 

[Nan_S]

You are focusing on the wrong thing. The thing that you need to focus on is that the LDS Church is true. It is led by the Lord, by revelation, by real prophets and Apostles today, as it was in the early days. The Book of Mormon is true. It is a revelation from the Lord; and a book of scripture like the Bible. The early Christian church did apostatize, and God has now restored His true Church on earth as prophesied in the Bible. Joseph Smith was a great prophet, and an instrument in the hand of the Lord through whom that restoration took place. These are the things that you need to focus on—not on spooky ghosts!

zerinus

The Lord had this to say through the Prophet Jeremiah, regarding anyone who suggests we pray to have the truth confirmed “through feelings, thoughts, and impressions” (Mormon tract, The Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ). Jeremiah who was a true prophet until the day he died, unlike Joseph Smith who was ceased being a prophet and instead “made a mistake” (your words) the day he gave the King Follett Discourse.

Jer 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?

And he also had this to say about the likes of Joseph Smith:

Jer 23:25-32
I have heard the prophets who prophesy lies in my name say, “I had a dream! I had a dream!” How long will this continue? Is my name in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy lies and their own deceitful fancies? By their dreams which they recount to each other, they think to make my people forget my name, just as their fathers forgot my name for Baal. Let the prophet who has a dream recount his dream; let him who has my word speak my word truthfully! What has straw to do with the wheat? says the LORD. Is not my word like fire, says the LORD, like a hammer shattering rocks? Therefore I am against the prophets, says the LORD, who steal my words from each other. Yes, I am against the prophets, says the LORD, who borrow speeches to pronounce oracles. Yes, I am against the prophets who prophesy lying dreams, says the LORD, and who lead my people astray by recounting their lies and by their empty boasting. From me they have no mission or command, and they do this people no good at all, says the LORD.

Nan

 

[zerinus]

Jer 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?

You are quoting the scripture out of context, not understanding it correctly. When considered in its proper context, it has a different meaning than the one you have assigned to it. This is the full context (with comments added in braces):

Jeremiah 17:

5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. {This is a metaphor for losing, or the withdrawal of the Spirit of God from the wicked, whose actions are described in verse 5. See verse 8 for a continuation of the same metaphor.}

7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. {This verse is in opposition to verse 5, which refers to the wicked, i.e. those “…whose heart departeth from the Lord”.}

8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. {This verse is a metaphor for receiving the inspiration of heaven—i.e. the Holy Ghost. The “waters of the river” is a metaphor for the Holy Ghost (see John 7:38).}

9 The heart {that is to say, the heart of the wicked man, as discussed above, not of the righteous man} is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I the Lord search the heart {i.e. of the wicked as well as the righteous}, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. {i.e. you receive your reward according to what is in your heart—either good or bad.}

11 As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool. {He is still continuing the same theme as before. The context remains the same. The wicked are the ones “whose heart depart from the Lord”.}

To sum it up, it is the heart of the evil and the wicked, those whose hearts "depart from the Lord," that is wicked and deceitful, and as a parched ground, because the Spirit of God has departed from it, and it is incapable of receiving the inspiration of heaven. By contrast, the heart of the righteous is full of light and the inspiration of heaven, as a "watered garden" (Isa. 58: 11; Jer. 31:12); and is not deceitful, but can discern between truth and falsehood, right and wrong. The Lord in the NT has also taught the same doctrine, but in different words:

John 7:

17 If any man will do his will {i.e. God’s will}, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Why is it that “doing the will of God” will enable a man to “know of the doctrine, whether it be of man or of God”? For the same reason that Jeremiah has described—because doing the will of God will put the heart of man in the right condition for it to receive that divine Spirit by which he will be able to discern between the right and the wrong, the true and the false—what is of God and what is not of God. Modern LDS scripture too affirms the same doctrine:

D&C 50:

24 That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.

D&C 88:

67 And if your eye be single to my glory {i.e. striving to do the will of God with single-mindedness}, your whole bodies shall be filled with light, and there shall be no darkness in you; and that body which is filled with light comprehendeth all things.

God will not dwell in unholy temples, but only in the hearts of the righteous will he dwell:

1 Corinthians 3:

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God welleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Alma 34:

36 And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell;…

zerinus

Continued . . . /

 

[zerinus]

/ . . . Continued

These are the kinds of people whose hearts are not “deceitful,” but can discern between right and wrong, truth and falsehood, by the inspiration of heaven. As Paul says elsewhere:

Titus 1:

15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

If you have a heart that is corrupt and evil and full of wickedness, then sure it is deceitful and cannot be trusted. But if you are willing to be obedient to the will of God, and not be “unbelieving” as Paul says, it is not deceitful, but capable of receiving the inspiration of heaven to guide it in the right way. The wise proverb says:

Proverbs 3:

5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

And Jeremiah has further added:

Jeremiah 17:

5 Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

How true!

zerinus

 

[blessings123]

17 If any man will do his will {i.e. God’s will}, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

also, 18 Whoever speaks on his own(Joe smith)seeks his own glory, but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him is truthful , and there is no wrong in him. Tell me where is God’s glory while you are trying to become a god yourself. In your temples with secrets, pentagrams(inverted), freemason ceremonies?