Official: Some Clinton emails 'too damaging' to release

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Theo520 said:
Lily, if Hillary’s Chief of Staff attended a top secret meeting, then sent Hillary notes on the meeting that included references to secret information, the email is ‘born classified’.

It doesn’t matter that her Aide sent the email without tagging it ‘Top Secret’
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I don’t know what really happened, I wasn’t there. I think the emails should be made public so the voters can be better informed. The only exception would be if they threatened national security.

I’m not defending Clinton. I’m not a fan of hers. I just want to know more before I condemn her. Did she use bad judgment? I would say “yes.” The home server should not be used by the SoS.
 
Theo520 said:
Lily, if Hillary’s Chief of Staff attended a top secret meeting, then sent Hillary notes on the meeting that included references to secret information, the email is ‘born classified’.

It doesn’t matter that her Aide sent the email without tagging it ‘Top Secret’
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👍 I really wonder what this younger generation was taught in civics class.

The materials were classified regardless of how they were marked. We’ve learned recently that Hillary figured out a way to get around the marking. Those asking for the emails to be released so the American public can decide for themselves is just as bad as she is.
 
Horton said:
👍 I really wonder what this younger generation was taught in civics class.

The materials were classified regardless of how they were marked. We’ve learned recently that Hillary figured out a way to get around the marking. Those asking for the emails to be released so the American public can decide for themselves is just as bad as she is.
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Why is it bad to want to see the emails?

I mean that sincerely. I went to school in France until five years ago. I never had a civics class.
 
I don’t understand why people do not get that correspondence between a government official as high as SoS and others is by its very nature private. If our seeing the emails as some have suggested results in the death of any of our covert operatives, as it might, surely you don’t expect them to be released to the public or anyone else for that matter.
 
mary_bobo said:
I don’t understand why people do not get that correspondence between a government official as high as SoS and others is by its very nature private. If our seeing the emails as some have suggested results in the death of any of our covert operatives, as it might, surely you don’t expect them to be released to the public or anyone else for that matter.
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If they would result in the death of someone, they would have been marked “Classified” or “Top Secret” at the outset.
 
They were marked at the on-set, its clear right above. First 17 seconds of the interview with Kirby states this.
“The ICIG’s letter from January 14, we’ve confirmed that it was the finding of the agencies who own the intelligence that they were top secret, even containing SAP information, when they hit the server,” Herridge said, using an acronym for Special-Access Programs, among the most closely-guarded secrets of government. “So this is a settled matter, this is not something that is still being pursued. Do you accept that?”
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GaryTaylor said:
They were marked at the on-set, its clear right above. First 17 seconds of the interview with Kirby states this.
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Apparently they weren’t marked at the outset, Gary:

"The State Department said it had “upgraded” the classification of the emails at the request of the nation’s intelligence agencies. Mr. Kirby said that none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server."

nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?_r=0

I’m not a Clinton supporter, but once again, “all sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
 
Your repeating points which are irrelevant and also covered in the interview. 🤷 Believe as you wish.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
If they would result in the death of someone, they would have been marked “Classified” or “Top Secret” at the outset.
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No they wouldn’t have. You are making claims you can’t back up. As a teacher you should know what the words “classified” and “top secret” mean right? You said you don’t know about American civics but yet you feel qualified to judge the content of the emails? Do you know anything about American government?

Hillary Clinton ran a shady outfit when she was SoS. She knew the rules and chose to break them. She needs to be held accountable for her actions. The only government funded housing she should get is a cell in a prison.
 
Horton said:
No they wouldn’t have. You are making claims you can’t back up. As a teacher you should know what the words “classified” and “top secret” mean right? You said you don’t know about American civics but yet you feel qualified to judge the content of the emails? Do you know anything about American government?

Hillary Clinton ran a shady outfit when she was SoS. She knew the rules and chose to break them. She needs to be held accountable for her actions. The only government funded housing she should get is a cell in a prison.
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I’ve said several times that I’m not condoning what she did or condemning her. However, if Mr. Kirby says the emails were not classified in any way when Clinton sent them or stored them, then I do believe Mr. Kirby. He’s the spokesman for the Department of State. I’m certainly not coming to that conclusion based on my own limited knowledge, Horton.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
I’ve said several times that I’m not condoning what she did or condemning her. However, if Mr. Kirby says the emails were not classified in any way when Clinton sent them or stored them, then I do believe Mr. Kirby. He’s the spokesman for the Department of State. I’m certainly not coming to that conclusion based on my own limited knowledge, Horton.
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But yet you know without a doubt that Kirby is a reliable source? Just because an email wasn’t “marked” classified does not mean it isn’t. It was Hillary’s job to know what classified information was, regardless of markings, more than anyone else at the State Department. That is why she needs to be held accountable.
 
I don’t think your understanding, listen carefully to the interview. The upgrade the State Dept made has not a thing to do with the original fact of classification of the original intelligence agency. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
Horton - Yes, I think Mr. Kirby is reliable. He has no reason to lie. He did say the emails carried no classification whatsoever.

Gary - Did Clinton use bad judgment? Sure she did. She knew what was sensitive information and was not so sensitive. Did she commit a crime? Right now, I doubt it, but I keep an open mind. My opinion is subject to change if more information comes out. No the upgrade could be, and was, made independent of the fact that the emails were originally unclassified.
 
So this is how the classification originated in question…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_access_program

Follow, so what the state dept did is further upgrade the classification because of the sensitivity. Then Kirby confirms the State Dept is still in contact with the originator and they themselves are investigating the original transmission. At any rate all this Hillary would have known just being Secretary, let alone using a un secured server.

Further Hillary continues to spin this as a right wing conspiracy, obviously not true as its an on-going investigation at the highest security levels of intelligence.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Apparently they weren’t marked at the outset, Gary:

"The State Department said it had “upgraded” the classification of the emails at the request of the nation’s intelligence agencies. Mr. Kirby said that none of the emails had been marked at any level of classification at the time they were sent through Mrs. Clinton’s computer server."

nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?_r=0

I’m not a Clinton supporter, but once again, “all sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
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Lilly, you are ignoring how information flows.

Huma attends a meeting where top secret information is shared, or she has a one on one discussion. Maybe the slide deck was marked Top Secret but nobody finishes every relevant sentence by mouthing ‘Top Secret’.

Huma subsequently sends Hillary an email summarizing what she has learned. Note, none of Hillary’s aides marked any of their emails to her with a secrecy rating.

Huma is expected to know the confidentiality of the information she receives. It was secret when she heard/read it and remains so as she paraphrases it into an email for Hillary.

As a stretch you could blame it all on the Aides but that too makes Hillary look incompetent, for not recognizing their error in judgement.
 
If it was you or I we would either be in Leavenworth or on our way. You’ll never see those emails, perhaps years from now, its absurd for Hillary to even suggest such nonsense. Frankly I wouldn’t feel one bit better if she is prosecuted or pardoned. But President? You would have to be one of her faithful followers whom she can do no wrong with to believe that…
 
Lily_Bernans said:
If they would result in the death of someone, they would have been marked “Classified” or “Top Secret” at the outset.
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Maybe Hilary should not have instructed her aide in an email to remove the classifications, fax them and send. How about that?
 
Theo520 said:
Lilly, you are ignoring how information flows.

Huma attends a meeting where top secret information is shared, or she has a one on one discussion. Maybe the slide deck was marked Top Secret but nobody finishes every relevant sentence by mouthing ‘Top Secret’.

Huma subsequently sends Hillary an email summarizing what she has learned. Note, none of Hillary’s aides marked any of their emails to her with a secrecy rating.

Huma is expected to know the confidentiality of the information she receives. It was secret when she heard/read it and remains so as she paraphrases it into an email for Hillary.

As a stretch you could blame it all on the Aides but that too makes Hillary look incompetent, for not recognizing their error in judgement.
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Oh, I think Clinton did use terrible judgment and should have known better, which I’ve stated several times; however I also believe the emails should have been marked so there would be no confusion. That should be SOP. Had they been marked, no one could justify Clinton’s conduct now. Her guilt would be beyond clear.
 
Somehow I don’t think that will be a point with the FBI or the justice system. They are born classified from SAP. She knew all this and never mind as secretary but anyone with top secret clearance would know this. Its not like you or I would have this type of clearance and then email the world about anything we chose because OOPs its wasn;t marked even thought the discussion was international spying. Yeah, I’m not seeing that point sister sister. 🙂
 
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