Official: Some Clinton emails 'too damaging' to release

  • Thread starter Thread starter slMike
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Somehow I don’t think that will be a point with the FBI or the justice system. They are born classified from SAP. She knew all this and never mind as secretary but anyone with top secret clearance would know this. Its not like you or I would have this type of clearance and then email the world about anything we chose because OOPs its wasn;t marked even thought the discussion was international spying. Yeah, I’m not seeing that point sister sister. 🙂
I think Clinton did the wrong thing, but I don’t share your confidence that she will have to pay the consequences.
 
Oh, I think Clinton did use terrible judgment and should have known better, which I’ve stated several times; however I also believe the emails should have been marked so there would be no confusion. That should be SOP. Had they been marked, no one could justify Clinton’s conduct now. Her guilt would be beyond clear.
It was SOP for them to be marked. Hillary failed to follow SOP. Do you think there is some little classification fairy out there to mark all documents? Do you truly not get this?
 
If they would result in the death of someone, they would have been marked “Classified” or “Top Secret” at the outset.
And you know this because…? Whether it is marked or not, someone in that position should know that potentially every email is secret. And if she read it and not just passed it along, she would have seen that it was. Sorry, but your excuses for Hillary don’t hold water.
 
It was SOP for them to be marked. Hillary failed to follow SOP. Do you think there is some little classification fairy out there to mark all documents? Do you truly not get this?
They were SENT to Clinton UNMARKED. If they were “Top; Secret” the SENDER should have marked them as such. Clinton isn’t psychic.
 
And you know this because…? Whether it is marked or not, someone in that position should know that potentially every email is secret. And if she read it and not just passed it along, she would have seen that it was. Sorry, but your excuses for Hillary don’t hold water.
Did you even look at the emails that were released some time ago? Many of them were so hum-drum routine and boring. ALL business is like that, even the SoS.

And how many times do I have to say, I’m NOT defending her. I just don’t think she endangered the US or anyone in particular.
 
They were SENT to Clinton UNMARKED. If they were “Top; Secret” the SENDER should have marked them as such. Clinton isn’t psychic.
The messages were sent exclusively by her top three Aides who were attending meetings and gathering information as her proxy, then reporting back. All four are smart enough to know the information they were sharing has security classification, or not.

These were not random emails from people buried down the hierarchy.
 
The messages were sent exclusively by her top three Aides who were attending meetings and gathering information as her proxy, then reporting back. All four are smart enough to know the information they were sharing has security classification, or not.

These were not random emails from people buried down the hierarchy.
Since they attended the meetings, they should have known how important it was to mark the emails.

Why don’t you wait and see what the emails said? Right now, everything is just speculation and more speculation.
 
Since they attended the meetings, they should have known how important it was to mark the emails.

Why don’t you wait and see what the emails said? Right now, everything is just speculation and more speculation.
Um, nothing would have been “marked.” If they were using an open/unclassified network, nothing sensitive would have been sent, except perhaps PII or OUO that would have been encrypted, meaning that it would also be encrypted on the memory device. If there were any encryption, then they would have not been able to been opened by anyone not possessing the key, unless the key was compromised. This is all basic skill and practice of the user of any electronic media in the federal government.

Cabinet level business is by definition sensitive, and the Secretary along with the aids are responsible for the information contained within their respective machines. Presumably, the Secretary was aware of various methods that are approved to protect sensitive data, and it will be interesting to see why the information was handled the way it was.
 
Totally irrelevant. She received and stored on an unsecured server classified emails.
And she destroyed an unknown number of Govt records when she allowed her lawyers (w/o Top Secret clearance) to comb through all her mail and delete any supposed ‘personal’ emails.

I’m sure they just covered their eyes when the unmarked emails with super top secret information where being read 😉 Nope, that wasn’t a violation either.
 
Um, nothing would have been “marked.” If they were using an open/unclassified network, nothing sensitive would have been sent, except perhaps PII or OUO that would have been encrypted, meaning that it would also be encrypted on the memory device. If there were any encryption, then they would have not been able to been opened by anyone not possessing the key, unless the key was compromised. This is all basic skill and practice of the user of any electronic media in the federal government.

Cabinet level business is by definition sensitive, and the Secretary along with the aids are responsible for the information contained within their respective machines. Presumably, the Secretary was aware of various methods that are approved to protect sensitive data, and it will be interesting to see why the information was handled the way it was.
Well, time will tell.
 
Oh, I think Clinton did use terrible judgment and should have known better, which I’ve stated several times; however I also believe the emails should have been marked so there would be no confusion. That should be SOP. Had they been marked, no one could justify Clinton’s conduct now. Her guilt would be beyond clear.
Well, we are talking about government here. Common sense solutions are too often elusive.
 
This e-mail chain consisted of a link to a New York Times article.
From your comment, it seems you are saying that the whole blowup is about a Times article. I am not following this closely enough to tell front from back on the matter, and I have no idea what part of the 22 documents might or might not have been linked/attached/related or otherwise had some connection to a Times article.

None of that has any particular bearing unless and until the documents are actually given to the public, and if they are TS, that isn’t going to occur for a long time, if ever.

And the fact that a Times article might have alluded to, or pressed in on a TS matter is not relevant as to whether or not the information in the 22 documents was TS.

For example, the Times might know of something going on in relation to, let’s say, some action concerning an ISIS cell discovered in either the US or Europe. They may not have the name of the ISIS members, and not have any information concerning how this cell was discovered, but someone has let slip that there is something major afoot.

However, the documents could be a discussion which included information as to where the cell was, or who was in it, or who those in it were linked to, or a whole lot more, all of which could compromise a whole lot of work ongoing in relation to the future prevention of the cell committing a crime (as in what occurred in France, for example).

As to the “upgrading” of the emails: the substance of the information in the emails is what is TS, and so the emails themselves become TS whether or not they are marked as such. As I have no privy to other emails she sent (and I believe there is evidence she sent and/or received information that was classified material,whether marked as such or not), the matter comes up now not because someone is now deciding the material is TS; it was TS at the time of transmission whether marked as such or not.

I was an Image Interpreter, part of military intelligence, and I worked on imagery that was TS. None of it was marked; I got it raw from the photo lab. The mission which originated the imagery was TS, and anything coming out of the mission - imagery, personal observation of anyone on the flight, the flight itself, and any and all reports derived from the mission - were all TS whether or not they were marked.

I seriously doubt that anyone with as much exposure as Hilary has had over the years to government activity would not know what was TS. She was at one of the top most rungs as to access to TS material and programs. She was not some clerk somewhere that such material might slide across her desk and she just had to file it.

And I seriously doubt that she did not know the required procedures for transmission by any means of TS material.

The question at hand is whether or not the Obama administration is going to make anything of this. It has not exactly been a secret that there has not been a lot of love lost between the Clintons and the Obamas. It appears the administration has not chosen to drag out the investigation, cause delays, obfuscate, minimize, or otherwise find a means of politely burying the matter for, oh, say 10 months. Whether they are willing to see her taken down by either criminal charges or some other means of bringing this to a head is for speculation, and only time may (or may not) tell. Could they throw her to the wolves? Certainly the Federal Government is capable of bringing a whole lot of pressure to bear where they chose.

Could they obfuscate, delay, or otherwise protect her from damage? That too is entirely possible. How will this all play out? Only time will tell, and we most likely will never know; or it may be some intrepid historian years from now will dig out all the gory details.

It needs saying, perhaps; but the US Attorney General’s office is part of the Obama administration. While there may be no direct orders ever generated, only a fool would presume that the AG, and a whole lot of individuals under the AG, would not be testing which way the wind is blowing. To presume they operate independently of any political concern is to live in a land even more creative and strange than Alice, the Rabbit, and the Mad Hatter. One does not get to those levels in government without a fairly acute olfactory system in place and operating.
 
This whole matter is not about whether or not an email had a watermark or a heading saying “Top Secret”.

It is about the Secretary of State using a non-government computer system upon which Top Secret information was transmitted by email.

That is an outright violation. The system she was supposed to be using was far, far more secure than the one she used. Whether or not she marked the document misses the point; if they were all marked every which way from Sunday, she was using a basically non secure means of communication.

If I had TS information I needed to relate to someone in a meeting, I would make sure that I was doing so in a secure setting; I would not go to some fancy luncheon place, or a basketball game, for examples, to discuss the matter. Verbal conversations don’t have a stamp on them, just in case anyone is still attached to the idea of a stamp.

We continue to hear stories of people in their teens and 20’s who are wizards at breaing into computer systems; some to steal information, some to get bragging rights, and for a whole host of other reasons. And it is in the press reasonably frequently that businesses and government are getting hacked by other governments or agents of those governments - and that often with systems thought to be very secure. To be operating “off the reservation” borders on - well, I am not sure what word, or words to put here. Hubris, among others comes to mind.
 
Lily, both the sender and receiver have responsibility here. Simply saying that it didn’t have a classification on the email does not mean it wasn’t classified or wasn’t misclassified. The receiver also has a responsibility to ensure that classified materials are not divulged and should make those who originated the information aware if the information is inadvertently divulged.

Let’s take it out of the realm of government into a business setting. Where I work we have 3 main levels of information classification; public, internal use only, private/special handling. Every year we are given refresher courses on information classification and have to pass tests on correctly identifying information in each category.

Now let’s say I’m sitting in waiting room waiting for the previous meeting in a conference room to finish up. The CEO and CFO walk out and the CEO tells the CFO, “keep XYZ Corp teed up. Remember that we have board approval to bid 200 million.” Neither the CEO or CFO have to tell me this is special handling information. Technically I should not be privy to it, but if I turn around and buy stock in XYZ Corp I will be charged with insider trading none the less. I cannot use the excuse that no one told me it was confidential information. I have a responsibility to not disseminate the information despite not having a label attached to it. By its very nature it is special handling even if it is not indicated as such.

In the same way it doesn’t matter what Mrs. Clinton’s emails were marked as. The very nature of the information determines it’s classification. Simply failing to mark SAP information no more changes its classification then not putting a milk label on a jug of milk makes it water. Top aides and the Secretary of State should all be aware of the type of information they are handling. If her aides were not capable of figuring that out then she was negligent in letting them stand as her proxy.

Unfortunately I agree with you that even if charges are brought I don’t see an indictment in her future.
 
The existence of that server itself was scandalous. The existence of damaging emails on an unsecured server prove the recklessness and total lack of competence with which HRC led the State department during her term there.

Whether the incompetence was merely reckless or criminal is almost a secondary matter. The America people deserve more than that. Partisan politics has blinded them to the fact, and it is only corruption in the highest places that has kept Clinton from being charged.
 
When it comes to the American people that those holding the positions of power and direction of our government do not know what the H they are doing - do we rise up and say, that’s okay - what difference does it make?

When the hammer comes down, Hilary’s next in line will be tagged and down the line while she saunters away. I hope the door gets nailed shut so she can’t get away with all of it.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall!
 
Obama’s strategy to undermine the USA has certainly influenced attitudes of "what difference does it make anyway! That damage is like a contagious virus. It is a ticket for some people to justify their own “I don’t care”. When it comes to being a real patriotic American, they won’t be alongside the rest of us. The answer to that is - the rest of us can take up their slack and stand for our country (they don’t contribute “anyway”.) 👍
IF the leading "Democratic Socialist " gets in this time…America will truly be fundamentally changed…
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top