Oh wait.....Trumps campaign was wire tapped after all

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So, the FBI hung up whenever Manafort talked to Trump? I didn’t see that in the article. In any case, Manafort was with the Trump campaign during the time he was wiretapped so you’re making a distinction without a difference.
 
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Not at all. And not when Flynn, Pence, Kushner, or Trump Jr was on the line. Or even you or anyone, if by chance they had talked to him; but no reasonable people would say, under those circumstances, that they had been tapped.

THe difference is between being targetted in an investigation and being delusional.
 
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dvdjs said:
Actual narrative:

Trump is crazy to think that he is Manafort.
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I think trump claimed that he ’ had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower '. Manafort does apparently have a place in Trump Tower so it is entirely possible that Trump Tower was “wire tapped” (we dont know exactly where Manafort was wire tapped). Knowing this, Trumps claim of ’ my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower ’ is probably much closer to the truth than CNN’s March 5th headline of “Trump’s baseless wiretap claim”
 
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So, now we know Trump was right, at least in this instance. One wonders how many more of these there are.
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But you said that you knew he meant something different when he was wiretapped and now you are saying he was right, so that suggests that you thought he was wrong before when you said he was right.
 
Xystus said:
I think trump claimed that he ’ had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower
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Of course - and we have been through this before. The plains words of Trump are just wrong. But there is some arcane parsing accessible only to those in the know, that vindicates Trump. Even when he shoots on fifth avenue.
 
Jig_Saw said:
But you said that you knew he meant something different when he was wiretapped and now you are saying he was right, so that suggests that you thought he was wrong before when you said he was right.
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No. As to “different” I only said Trump certainly didn’t mean Obama himself did the wiretap physically, but that his organization did under his watch and perhaps pursuant to his authority. Nice try. No cigar.
 
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I think trump claimed that he ’ had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower
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Of course - and we have been through this before. The plains words of Trump are just wrong. But there is some arcane parsing accessible only to those in the know, that vindicates Trump. Even when he shoots on fifth avenue.
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Read my post again. you will notice i said trumps claim is probably closer to the truth. i did not say he was absolutely correct in every respect. I did no arcane parsing of what he said. the below link has he actual tweet, which i quoted correctly.


Even when Trump is probably correct there those, like you, who can just not admit it.
 
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No. As to “different” I only said Trump certainly didn’t mean Obama himself did the wiretap physically, but that his organization did under his watch and perhaps pursuant to his authority. Nice try. No cigar.
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Ah, so you always believed that Trump was wiretapped?
 
Xystus said:
probably closer to the truth.
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I am not sure how to measure closeness to truth.

When CNN talks of “Trump’s baseless wiretap claim”, it notes that Trump offered no basis for his claim.
Trump has the attention of the nation and the world. He could speak plainly. He could have his communications staff white carefully crafted messages. He could elaborate and clarify. But he doesn’t.

And his fans complain of the the criticism, take comfort in making a case that others are worse, and argue that he was somehow close to the truth.

We are arguing that Trump is deserves more partial-credit for his answers, and that he deserves to be graded on a curve. So. Very. Sad.
 
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efore when you said he was right.

No. As to “different” I only said Trump certainly didn’t mean Obama himself did the wiretap physically, but that his organization did under his watch and perhaps pursuant to his authority.
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Actually your argument was that the DoJ took Trump Obama to mean Obama personally when it denied, two weeks ago, the truth of Trump’s tapping tweets. That was a red herring.
 
Jig_Saw said:
Ah, so you always believed that Trump was wiretapped?
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“Always” is a long time.

I began believing the Obama government spied electronically on Trump or his organization when Trump said it. A political organization that supports surreptitiously undercutting the Catholic Church in America, as the DNC did, and probably still does, will do just about anything.

I really didn’t have any doubt about it upon learning that the Obama government requested two FISA warrants for Trump Tower, one of which was granted.

Even less reason to question it now, given the latest information. Probably there’s a lot more of it than has yet been discovered.
 
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hat supports surreptitiously undercutting the Catholic Church in America, as the DNC did
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It is clear that you fervently believe this. But as has been pointed out to you many, many times, your cherished belief has no basis in fact.

When you repeat this you propagate a story that you know is nothing more that gossip.
 
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Actually your argument was that the DoJ took Trump Obama to mean Obama personally when it denied, two weeks ago, the truth of Trump’s tapping tweets. That was a red herring.
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Was it? Actually, it was the DOJ expression that was somewhat misleading. When the DOJ denied that “Trump” was wiretapped by “Obama” it was really skirting the real issue by making a very limited denial.

But I’m not the government run amok that did clandestine electronic surveillance on Manafort and probably others. I’m not the issue. Justify with real facts the surveillance of Manafort if you can. That’s the real topic here.
 
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Was it? Actually, it was the DOJ expression that was somewhat misleading. When the DOJ denied that “Trump” was wiretapped by “Obama” it was really skirting the real issue by making a very limited denial.
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Yep. That was your claim. But I think it is fatuous to assume that took Obama to mean himself personally, since Presidents do not tap. As to Trump: I am not sure that anyone who at the time interpreted the tweet to mean that Manafort was tapped.
 
How so? Hillary had her superdelegates a long time before Sanders. THAT was the problem IMO.
 
Amazing how quickly you can go from “Trump is crazy to say he was wiretapped” to “Trump wasn’t wiretapped, a completely separate entity, completely unrelated to Trump, called the Trump Presidential Campaign was wiretapped, so Trump wasn’t really wiretapped at all”.
 
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