Oh wait.....Trumps campaign was wire tapped after all

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How do you know? How do you know that they didn’t? Since part of the Patriot Act said you weren’t allowed to say that you were told to turn over information, there is no proof one way or the other.
 
BW1980 said:
And what business is that of yours or mine? Is it now acceptable in this country to leak information about people being investigated regardless of whether that investigation is warranted or will even turn up illegal activity?

I suppose it is…depending on who it is.
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One has to realize this is a political prosecution leading to political “show trials” of somebody or other. Might as well be Moscow in 1920. Normal rules don’t apply.
 
Ridgerunner said:
One has to realize this is a political prosecution leading to political “show trials” of somebody or other. Might as well be Moscow in 1920. Normal rules don’t apply.
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Given how many conservatives are now big fans of Russia, I’m sure they will be thrilled to see this.
 
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BW1980:
And what business is that of yours or mine? Is it now acceptable in this country to leak information about people being investigated regardless of whether that investigation is warranted or will even turn up illegal activity?

I suppose it is…depending on who it is.
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One has to realize this is a political prosecution leading to political “show trials” of somebody or other. Might as well be Moscow in 1920. Normal rules don’t apply.
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Don’t fool yerself - Moscow in 1920 you’d be lucky to get any trial. If you did, evidence may be totally manufactured (Stalin certainly made use of doctored photographs). Plus you’d be guaranteed to end up exrcuted or in Siberia.

There’d be no Comey- or Mueller- style months and years of actual sifting through material with most likely no conviction at the end of it.

The comparison of the lightweight stuff endured by Trump and his cronies to real persecution and injustice is laughable.
 
LilyM said:
Don’t fool yerself - Moscow in 1920 you’d be lucky to get any trial. If you did, evidence may be totally manufactured (Stalin certainly made use of doctored photographs). Plus you’d be guaranteed to end up exrcuted or in Siberia.

There’d be no Comey- or Mueller- style months and years of actual sifting through material with most likely no conviction at the end of it.

The comparison of the lightweight stuff endured by Trump and his cronies to real persecution and injustice is laughable.
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Read Solzhenitzyn on the Moscow trials. Some of them were perfunctory, but some of them really weren’t. Some took a very long time, oftentimes because demoralization or torture of witnesses was sometimes not as easy a process as we might imagine in our own time. And people “confessed” to things they didn’t do, knowing full well they would be shot for doing so. Bukharin’s “investigation” and prosecution took an immensely long time and, of course, he confessed to things he didn’t do, largely because of psychological torture. People have committed suicide in our own time during investigations in which nobody laid a glove on them, physically.

Never did I say the methods are exactly the same, but they’re similar, particularly in the attempt to threaten and terrorize people into giving testimony that isn’t correct. That’s what happened with Scooter Libby. The crucial witness later recanted, saying she had been deceived by the FBI into making a false statement.

And, of course, the essential nature and purpose of them is exactly the same. They’re aimed at conducting political show trials. The Moscow defendants confessed to or were convicted of “real” crimes, but the real objective was political. Vyshinsky himself admitted as much.

I strongly recommend reading the “Gulag Archipelago” series. It’s not only a history, it’s a profoundly philosophical work, a spiritual work, and an amazing analysis of human psychology. Its popularity and critical acclaim was not only as a history.

We should not be so sanguine about the persecution of our political opponents lest we end up in a country in which its the norm. We’re not so very far away from it as some would like to think.
 
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Jig_Saw said:
Given how many conservatives are now big fans of Russia, I’m sure they will be thrilled to see this.
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Interesting. I live in a sea of conservatives and I don’t know a single one who is a “Russia fan”.
 
Time to do the Euro thang…dissolve the government and elect a new one!
 
Ridgerunner said:
Interesting. I live in a sea of conservatives and I don’t know a single one who is a “Russia fan”.
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That’s funny. You would think there would be more concern about the deep relationships between Trump and Russia from conservatives if that were true.
 
NY Times wrote a lengthy piece on this.

Fact is no matter how you spin it, The purpose of the Clinton Foundation was to skirt the technical nature of campaign finance laws in order for them to get rich. The cronyism was apparent, obvious and intense.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Fact is no matter how you spin it, The purpose of the Clinton Foundation was to skirt the technical nature of campaign finance laws in order for them to get rich. The cronyism was apparent, obvious and intense.
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Is this response related to the uranium deal? Focus.
 
No, it isn’t. That was a pretty well thought out article my post was based on.

Come on, you’re smarter than this.
 
SuperLuigi said:
No, it isn’t. That was a pretty well thought out article my post was based on.

Come on, you’re smarter than this.
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It is nice to see you support the NYT.
But the narrative of quid pro quo is silly.
Bill commands top dollar whenever he speaks.
Hillary did not have a critically decisive role in this.
And no uranium was had or will leave the country under this deal.

But it is so much fun to squint and see evil in others, and gossip about whatever it is that you see.
 
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