Oh wait.....Trumps campaign was wire tapped after all

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Jig_Saw said:
That’s funny. You would think there would be more concern about the deep relationships between Trump and Russia from conservatives if that were true.
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Most conservatives I know realize this whole “Russia/Trump collusion” thing is just a political move on the part of Democrats and other leftists to prevent Trump from governing.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Most conservatives I know realize this whole “Russia/Trump collusion” thing is just a political move on the part of Democrats and other leftists to prevent Trump from governing.
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Realize? Better: wishfully think.
 
dvdjs said:
Realize? Better: wishfully think.
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Well, if so, then so far our wish has worked out. Your wish to criminalize Trump for collusion with Russia is so far without any foundation at all.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Most conservatives I know realize this whole “Russia/Trump collusion” thing is just a political move on the part of Democrats and other leftists to prevent Trump from governing.
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Well, the collusion attempt is obvious for anyone who read Trump, Jr.'s emails, so what you are saying is that conservatives cannot understand facts anymore. And, even if you don’t believe in the collusion, you have to be blind to not see how lovey-dovey Trump is with Putin.

Personally, I’m glad to see the conservative movement exposed, so I don’t have to listen to how they are the real Americans or patriots that they always claim to be. They are pretty much a bunch of Russian stooges being told by their Russian Facebook friends what to think and are more than happy to go along with it.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Well, if so, then so far our wish has worked out. Your wish to criminalize Trump for collusion with Russia is so far without any foundation at all.
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I do think it important for us to investigate, understand and takes measures against the foreign influences in our elections. If that investigation leads to the uncovering of criminal activity by Trump’s team or Trump himself so be it: they are not above the law.

But you will not find evidence of my wishing or suggesting that Trump is guilty of criminal behavior in this affair - your personal attack is baseless. I will wait for the results of the multiple investigations.
 
dvdjs said:
My guess is that he received information about precisely what happened. And then he either:

got angry, thinking that it was all about him, and blurted out a tweet that, in his personally-offended rage, omitted the salient facts, but passed along his sense of being violated to his supporters;

or, seeing that the lid would ultimately come off all of the Russia connections - which might be rather unsavory - he gave a measured tweet, calculated to deflect and call the investigations and investigators into question.

As to crow: my plate is empty. But those who have been repeating the Trump line that there is nothing to this Russia investigation should stock-up on condiments.
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dvdjs said:
But you will not find evidence of my wishing or suggesting that Trump is guilty of criminal behavior in this affair - your personal attack is baseless. I will wait for the results of the multiple investigations.
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From the hostility to Trump expressed in many, many posts, and the derision aimed at anyone who defends him, one would have thought so. But sometimes one gets surprised.
 
You mistake criticism for hostility, and criticism of a persons’ argument for criticism of a person. And you post without reflection on the difference.
 
dvdjs said:
You mistake criticism for hostility, and criticism of a persons’ argument for criticism of a person. And you post without reflection on the difference.
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Sometimes we don’t really intend to communicate what we do. Read the above carefully.
 
Jig_Saw said:
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Ridgerunner:
Most conservatives I know realize this whole “Russia/Trump collusion” thing is just a political move on the part of Democrats and other leftists to prevent Trump from governing.
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Well, the collusion attempt is obvious for anyone who read Trump, Jr.'s emails, so what you are saying is that conservatives cannot understand facts anymore. And, even if you don’t believe in the collusion, you have to be blind to not see how lovey-dovey Trump is with Putin.

Personally, I’m glad to see the conservative movement exposed, so I don’t have to listen to how they are the real Americans or patriots that they always claim to be. They are pretty much a bunch of Russian stooges being told by their Russian Facebook friends what to think and are more than happy to go along with it.
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I am anxious to see what becomes of the investigation with Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s IT guy. Maybe we will see who the real stooges are.
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am anxious to see what becomes of the investigation with Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s IT guy. Maybe we will see who the real stooges are.
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Glad to see your willingness to deflect made the successful transition to the new forum.
 
Theo520 said:
It was the legal definition, which obviously seemed the most appropriate.
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“secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others” seems more appropriate
 
just saying that there could still be a lot that has happened we don’t know about yet. best not to make hasty judgments! too many people anxious to point their finger at Trump and find him guilty of everything!
 
Well the liberal wailing and gnashing of teeth was audible after Comey’s bizarre Hillary press conference. I didn’t approve of that and I don’t approve of this leak. Law enforcement should not be indicting people in the press.

You can’t have both way liberal atheists: which is it: leaks bad or leaks good?
 
I a glad to see liberals exposed, too: no more Catholic in private, atheist in public bs. You support Same sex “marriage” and abortion: you aren’t a Catholic.
 
7_Sorrows said:
just saying that there could still be a lot that has happened we don’t know about yet. best not to make hasty judgments! too many people anxious to point their finger at Trump and find him guilty of everything!
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Now the attempt to pretend a deflection is not a deflection…
 
BW1980 said:
I a glad to see liberals exposed, too: no more Catholic in private, atheist in public bs. You support Same sex “marriage” and abortion: you aren’t a Catholic.
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Are you speaking to me specifically when you say “You” or a general “you” towards the liberal you are imagining inside your head.
 
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